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1. Download the .iso files.
2. Try the Live CD first.
3. This is a disk image. Don´t mount it. Simply burn it as an image to disk using Toast or any other similar tool.
4. Because the Ubuntu CDs aren´t sporting OS X these won´t show in "startup disk". However, booting while having the CD in the drive and also holding down the option key will of course show the Ubuntu CD as bootable.
5. Be prepared to mess about with Ubuntu until it finally works.
Have fun.
Oh.. right..
You get the images at http://www.ubuntu.com
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I don't know much about the MacIntel machines yet, how much do they differ outside the processor (PCI bus, same north bridge, peripheral set, etc).
Just a matter of time before Linux was running on this thing. It's nice working on a ubiquitous (ubuntuous?) platform. |
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I think the important thing is that Ubuntu is giving older PC's and Mac's a new lease of life. That's a really good thing as far as sustainability goes.
Thanks for the hot tips Stein 
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Well, Ubuntu is cool, but it is still just Linux on a mac. Been there, done that. It runs smooth. I reckon this might be a nice way to resurrect old hardware like pre pismo laptops and early 601-604 PPC Powermacs. It makes very little sense to run Ubuntu or any other strain of Linux on a modern mac. It simply means you are missing out on all the really nice stuff in OS X.
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| elektro80 wrote: | | It makes very little sense to run Ubuntu or any other strain of Linux on a modern mac. It simply means you are missing out on all the really nice stuff in OS X. |
Yeah I'll just throw in this quickie before I retire to lateral thinking mode  but;
It's interesting reading the ubuntu forum because someone asks exactly the same question- as you've probably read already.
The majority of people using Mac as hardware are ex-PC users who like the look of Apple's design but are frightened of X (heck knows why?!  ). The few people who were Mac users from the outset are dismissive of ubuntu and say that it's not a patch on X (quite rightly so).
I'm not going to bother to try to get ubuntu up and running on this Mac. OSX is simply to brilliant to want to change or run anything else. But I will install it on the PC- and probably run Windose under WINE. This way the PC will hopefully feel more like X. |
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| v-un-v wrote: | | probably run Windose under WINE. |
Just curious ... didn't you say a while ago you wanted the NM Classic editor to run on windows, thought this was not possible still under WINE ?
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| I know the NM classic software (and the G2 editor and demo software) will run under WINE, but getting a NM driver for linux is a different matter since WINE is just offers use of the Windows API ...a full fledged virtual machine emulator like VMware or WIN4LIN might work, but I wouldn't want to spend the money on the software lisences to find out :/ |
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The majority of people using Mac as hardware are ex-PC users |
I am one of the minority that went straight from Atari to Mac bypassing PC completely
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| seraph wrote: | | v-un-v wrote: |
The majority of people using Mac as hardware are ex-PC users |
I am one of the minority that went straight from Atari to Mac bypassing PC completely |
That's not what I meant. These people have never used OS X. They just have Mac's because they like the look of the Mac hardware 
It's these kind of people I'm willing to MURDER!!!! 
I want to grab them and shake them into submission!!
ooooooww- talk about pet peeves!!!! |
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | v-un-v wrote: | | probably run Windose under WINE. |
Just curious ... didn't you say a while ago you wanted the NM Classic editor to run on windows, thought this was not possible still under WINE ? |
Oh bollocks! I didn't know that 
Oh well- my PC under XP SP2 is pretty stable so far. The G2 demo runs twice as fast on the Dell than this Powerbook. (this Mac should be faster- but I guess that's another slice out of the great 'port from PeeCee' conspiracy!)
It's been fun playing with schematic publisher- although I do find it a tad unintuitive- I suppose a bit unfair as I've been 'bought up' on the Mac where everything is so easy to use! |
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| seraph wrote: |
I am one of the minority that went straight from Atari to Mac bypassing PC completely |
yup, that's me..atari to mac was a natural
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That's not what I meant. These people have never used OS X. They just have Mac's because they like the look of the Mac hardware
It's these kind of people I'm willing to MURDER!!!!
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Heu? I thought that was nearly all Mac users?
I know very, very few Mac users that can intelligently discuss why they like OSX, they come with weird remarks like "It's impossible for OSX to get a virus", they claim it all "just works" but as soon as anything that's not mail or browsing needs to be done they are in big, big trouble and I'll have to figure it out for them. Often that involves installing some open source programs to get the damend things to actually open some standard file formats in a reasonable way. These people can't maintain a computer yet will still keep up the idea that it doesn't crash even after it has just done so due to their lack of maitainance.
The one thing that Apple does right and which is apreceated by the average Mac user is marketing.
It's funny that it doesn't work on everybody; I had a conversation with a friend yesterday;
D; So, kassen what is this I-pod thing everybody talks about?
K; Well, erm, it's basically a box and it plays MP3's.
D; Ah, so it's like a mp3 player except much larger?
K; erm, yeah, basically.
D so what's the difference between a normal mp3 player and a I-pod?
K; well, it's just the name of one type of mp3 player, it has that design and It's also quite expensive.
D how expensive?
K; I dunno, a few hundred euro?
D *Looks at her lighter sized mp3 player that probably cost 20 bucks or so (and will plug directly into a pc, no software needed but she doesn't realise the I-pod needs strange software and I want to keep it all simple)*, why would people buy that?
K; marketing.
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| Kassen wrote: | | as soon as anything that's not mail or browsing needs to be done they are in big, big trouble |
I don't know what you are talking about. I have run Logic Audio, Ableton Live, Propellerhead Reason, Max/MSP and many other applications not in the "mail or browsing" category without a single glitch for a long time under OS9 and OS X. I am an happy customer.
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| seraph wrote: | | Kassen wrote: | | as soon as anything that's not mail or browsing needs to be done they are in big, big trouble |
I don't know what you are talking about. I have run Logic Audio, Ableton Live, Propellerhead Reason, Max/MSP and many other applications not in the "mail or browsing" category without a single glitch for a long time under OS9 and OS X. I am an happy customer. |
Funny- I was just about to ask pretty much the same thing. "What the f**k are you on about this time Kassen???"
Where on the PeeCee can I right-click and choose what colour I wish my folders to be- making it really easy to find things in a hurry? Yeah- I know- "you do it like this" I hear you say- but what a palaver!!
On a Mac I can open up a folder or highlight a single file without the bloody operating system deciding that I've just modified that item- making it more difficult to work out what it is- if I have a lot of files etc.
Is that not intelligent enough for you? 
Oh yeah and by the way, I've always liked Mac- even when it looked more PC than opaque white plastic- even if this world has been taken over by iPod sporting chavs. So there you go!  |
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| seraph wrote: | | Kassen wrote: | | as soon as anything that's not mail or browsing needs to be done they are in big, big trouble |
I don't know what you are talking about. I have run Logic Audio, Ableton Live, Propellerhead Reason, Max/MSP and many other applications not in the "mail or browsing" category without a single glitch for a long time under OS9 and OS X. I am an happy customer. |
Yeah, but what I meant was basically as soon as they get out of their regular tasks.
To contrast against your own experiences; the first time I had to unzip a .zip file under linux I couldn't find the aplication either on my system. A second after I realised that I had a comand line open, five seconds after that I had read the syntax, five seconds after that I had the zip unpacked. Finally after all those years the Mac has a real OS with real multitasking and a actual prompt but don't ask the average Mac user what "multi taking" means or what a prompt is good for. Perhaps you do, perhaps you aren't the average.
I know a lot of Windows users, some Linux ones and a few Mac users; I get by the most "support calls" about OSX. Aparently my own pure guess work (I hardly know OSX) is preferable to them to their own intuition with the "intuitive interface". This to me means "intuitive" is a pure lie there.
To illustrate; One friend who is totally religious about her Mac and goes "yeah, that's windows" when my laptop turns out not to play a DVD (the DVD turned out to look like it was mutilated by a stanley knife, then covered in half a pound of butter) now needs my help because she is unable to convert a mp3 into a aiff on OSX. That, for the record, was after I recomended Audacity. This, Seraph, is terrible. If you can't get that done then you're probably better off writing your letters on paper and your music on a guitar.
I don't care; I'll be running OSX in a years time as well because it's a *nix and there are actual drivers for soundcards as well as Live for it and I'll manage; there is a prompt and it's documented, I don't need all that sissy modern design crap but in my experience the "usability" and "stability" of Mac's in novice hands are pure fables. These people don't actually have what they claim they have; I know because once the shit hits the fan they call me because "kassen is so technical". They go down and they go down hard and ugly. It's all a illusion and marketing.
The G4 was claimed to be a amazing cpu (and it was for many things) but the people that explained to me that it was so much greater then the Pentium M I run were the same people that would try to use wave files on a Mac, completely oblivious to the differences between big and little endian processors. It's fine; you don't *need* to know about cpu architecture but if you don't then why have a opinion on it?
Perhaps many people enjoy error-free operation of Mac but I've never seen it; all Mac's I see seem at least as poluted and unstable as the average XP machine. Playing a simple CD takes ten or so minutes while Itunes imports it (is there even a normal cd player program in there as standard?) nothing opens in a sensible and timely manner; it's terrible, realy terrible. I'm going to buy one because Vista is looking even worse but I expect to need several days and multiple re-installs before it's in shape. That's fine; I need two or three days to properly set up a XP computer as well. I don't care that the usability is a illusion; I'm used to complex system and I don't need or want "user friendly" but it *is* a illusion.
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Funny- I was just about to ask pretty much the same thing. "What the f**k are you on about this time Kassen???"
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At the moment Demudi, also a *nix but one optimised for audio work. Comes with ten or so modular softsynths pre-installed. Basically it's a *nix on a x86, a bit like OSX except that it's not ugly don't give me motion sickness but sadly there are also few drivers for serious sound cards and it's not supported by Ableton.
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Where on the PeeCee can I right-click and choose what colour I wish my folders to be- making it really easy to find things in a hurry? Yeah- I know- "you do it like this" I hear you say- but what a palaver!!
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Depends on your OS. You only got colours? I had different background images for every folder on OS/2 TWELVE YEARS AGO.
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I've never seen a PC do that, I have no idea what that would be good for or who would use it.
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Erm, no that sounds quite dumb indeed. On my computers the operating systems never decided stuff like that. I don't want my folder coloured either.
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I don't know what a pc looks like; with pc's you can pick what case you want. You can have a totally transparent plexiglass one with blue leds in the fans and glowing IDE cables or a black rackmountable box. It's the same with operating systems, you can pick one depending on your needs; for that reason it's hard to compare functionallty between the two even in how windows look. Personally I don't care what a window looks like as long as the look doesn't get in the way of the functionalty. I'm just not a very visual person; I'm a sound guy. I never got why all webpages needed picuters and why interfaces needed to be graphical either.
Either way; now that Ubuntu got ported to Mac's there is more of a choice on what OS to run on instead of this "one size fits all" idea. For genearl usage I think it'll be preferable to OSX. Ubuntu is based on Debian and so comes with apt-get for very convenient and totally free updates. You can set Gnome as your display manager which is much nicer then Aqua (at least it doesn't make me sick).
Oh, god, I just don't care anymore. Go change some colours on windows; clearly a wonderfull feature for a OS to have if ever there was one.
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All I did was post some info on how to burn the ubuntu isos and then boot from the CDs
What have I done?
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| elektro80 wrote: | All I did was post some info on how to burn the ubuntu isos and then boot from the CDs
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I think Kassen is having to swallow "Slow, Hard and Straight down" a copy of OSX wrapped around a MacIntel box that won't wash down easy |
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I think he is actually planning to do just that.
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I think this is a flame war.
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I think the most humane thing to do is to let this one burn
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there are advantages/disadvantages to..um..everything...OS's especially
but, kassen/v-un-v, and others , you are all getting political and religious here..and we know how that ends up..i should know heheh
having choice and variety is nice...
altho OS X is pretty close to an ''all-in-one" OS, it is by no means perfect and PC's are pretty cool now too..and Linux is intriguing
i would like all 3 OS...in one box
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btw..i can understand why non-mac users find the marketing style of Apple very annoying and even insulting..as a long time Mac user..i personally find them really annoying and needlesly antagonistic
this is not helping the case
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altho OS X is pretty close to an ''all-in-one" OS, it is by no means perfect |
no one said that and I don't think this is a flame war. where is that anti-war emoticon when you need it?
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i agree..it's not a flame war per se...
btw..that term is a little too 1990's for me hehe
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