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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah no, it's an stage 88 :/
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
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they created the NordLead, an emulation of the prophet V, only lighter, more compact, a little bit more features, better memory and maybe a better sound... <snip>
(emphasis added)


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

tim wrote:
Wout Blommers wrote:
<snip>
they created the NordLead, an emulation of the prophet V, only lighter, more compact, a little bit more features, better memory and maybe a better sound... <snip>
(emphasis added)


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Right... I second that..

here goes...

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Aww.. that doesn´t quite cut it..

It will either have to be

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or

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Alternatively the sinking of the Lusitania could probably fit in here too somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Anyways, I tend to think of the original Nord Lead as the Nord Lead and it is still quite nice IMO. The Prophet V is something else altogether. In a way the Prophet V was an aquired taste rather than mindblowingly great.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

.. a return to the C Whatnot ( the swedishmade organ fest )...
I´m sure it´s a great organ clone. I kinda expected Clavia to go for something like this. The best thing for all of us is that Clavia will sell shitloads of it. That should provide the capital for investing in further development of the G product line.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The best thing for all of us is that Clavia will sell shitloads of it. That should provide the capital for investing in further development of the G product line.


is that how it works? dear god tell me that's how it works.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, I just might visit Festung Clavia in Sweden and tell them in a very convincing way that this is how it`s supposed to work.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am however a bit annoyed by the fact that the swedishmade organ doesn´t come with pedals. That is simply a disaster. No wonder those swedes don´t have any oil. They simply didn´t deserve it. God is wise.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I am however a bit annoyed by the fact that the swedishmade organ doesn´t come with pedals. That is simply a disaster. No wonder those swedes don´t have any oil. They simply didn´t deserve it. God is wise.


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I think we swedes ought to invade Norway and steal your oil!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
The Prophet V is something else altogether. In a way the Prophet V was an aquired taste rather than mindblowingly great.



please forgive me... to say it polite...this sounds like the most uncompetent statement about the prophet V i ever had to hear...
I guess you never used one?
mindblowing great describes it actually very good...especial the Rv 1 ones with the SMM filters


and aquired taste? sure such a synth became a taste..but for the reason it was a mindblowing great...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I had a rev1 for quite some time and this one I found to be quite a mess. I managed eventually to persuade a friend to buy it. I later got the rev2 SSM version. That one was pretty OK.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

very strange... you are the first that puts the sound of a prophet above a nordlead...

maybe you had bad speakers or a faulty mixing desk at that time?
Your chain is just as good as the weakest part and certain synthezisers only show theire strenght when beeing in the wright surrounding...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

IMO the Prophet is kina overrated. A P5rev2 in mint condition ( restored/refurbished ) is a decent synth and nothing more. Frankly, the Creamware digital clone is in fact a better instrument than the original ( but it must be said that analogue feel of the original could be reasonably exciting. The Creamware clone doesn´t completely capture the sound of the Prophet 5 but it is close enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

3phase wrote:
very strange... you are the first that puts the sound of a prophet above a nordlead...

maybe you had bad speakers or a faulty mixing desk at that time?
Your chain is just as good as the weakest part and certain synthezisers only show theire strenght when beeing in the wright surrounding...



Nothing wrong with my rig, I assure you. But then I don´t´think a Nord Lead sounds "better" than a Prophet 5. I am simply stating that the original Nord Lead is :

1. A great synth
2. A Nord Lead is a Nord Lead and absolutely not a Prophet 5.

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( but it must be said that analogue feel of the original could be reasonably exciting. The Creamware clone doesn´t completely capture the sound of the Prophet 5 but it is close enough.



har har har...that was a good one...
annd....close enough for what purpose? to sound lika prophet 5?

Same you can say about any plug in synth...

To say it with a friends words... you cant make filet from meatloaf
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

its ok that they are booth good synths of theire own kind..but..

"In a way the Prophet V was an aquired taste rather than mindblowingly great...."

this is bashing the P5 and that it dont deserves it...why you think there aer so many clones around...actually giving the P5 a bad name because you get the idea thats a boring synth...
bercause they all sound boring...i wouldnt use any of the software versions ..i just get sick in 30 seconds when i try to do one of my p5 sounds
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It all depends on how you play a synth. When I have written some music for a certain mix of specific instruments it simply won´t´translate that well to a fancy collection of plugins or polka boards. When the way the various parts are supposed to be played in a specific way nothing really compares to having a real instrument UI. A plugin with functions mapped to a some midi controller simply won´t cut it. That is how I feel about it. Your mileage may vary.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree with you. Many software renditions of the prophet 5 are goddamn awful. The NI P5 clone software thingie was not the real thing indeed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

3phase wrote:
...why you think there aer so many clones around...


A stable and healthy rev2 is an absolutely decent synth. The user interface is pretty good. It was also an important design back then.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
I agree with you. Many software renditions of the prophet 5 are goddamn awful. The NI P5 clone software thingie was not the real thing indeed.


They are all not the real thing..the specialty of the P5 are FM modulated Chords ...and especially theire subtility and complexity make that synth rich... the filters go well above 50 khz when resonating and this slightly fm modulated... You need a tapemachine to record that... plug ins have to fail...
especially they are all too small...
I once tried to model a P5 voice and needed a whole dsp to get it a bit close but still not much better than the usual plug in... but far better than a nordlead could do...
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Indeed, but I have never said a Nord Lead sounds better than a Prophet 5.

Again, a Prophet 5 is Prophet 5. This fact is often a nasty suprise for the kids who have spent all their hard earned cash for a secondhand Prophet 5. A lot of people are better off with a Creamware clone than the real thing. The Creamware device is close, it is stable and it has a lot of features ( like a warranty Very Happy ).

The Nord Lead sounds like a Nord Lead and I think comparing it to a Prophet 5 is not really valid at all. A Nord Lead does certainly not sound more convincing and better ( as a Prophet 5 ) than a Prophet 5 ( in perfect condition ) does.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Indeed, but I have never said a Nord Lead sounds better than a Prophet 5.

Again, a Prophet 5 is Prophet 5. This fact is often a nasty suprise for the kids who have spent all their hard earned cash for a secondhand Prophet 5. A lot of people are better off with a Creamware clone than the real thing. The Creamware device is close, it is stable and it has a lot of features ( like a warranty Very Happy ).

The Nord Lead sounds like a Nord Lead and I think comparing it to a Prophet 5 is not really valid at all. A Nord Lead does certainly not sound more convincing and better ( as a Prophet 5 ) than a Prophet 5 ( in perfect condition ) does.


thats sounds more like it ..i really was a fan of the prophet for years..actually i still am...but a pro one a prophet 10 an a prophet VS is a room full of sythns... but you get actually any sound you might ever need from such a setup
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Indeed, but I have never said a Nord Lead sounds better than a Prophet 5.

And I didn't say it either...
The NordLead, IMHO, is more useful in different situations (there aren't many Prophets in dance and techno, e.g.), although, regarding the factory patches and the set-up of the panel, it is based on the Prophet V.

As Stein wrote, the NordLead is a NordLead, so it delivers its own sound. I assume most musicians use the equipment suitable to their music and the NordLead has more practice then the Prophet V today.

Which brings me to a rather strange observation. If the statement the Prophet V sounds better then the NordLead is true, why isn't it used and produced anymore? Or doesn't the synth sound right in todays music, in which case one and conclude 'it sounds not good, anymore'?

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3phase wrote:
thats sounds more like it .


Read the thread again. You might want to kick some Wout ass instead Laughing

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