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Dave Kendall

Joined: May 26, 2007 Posts: 421 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:
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Ask away - there's a wealth of experience here, including quite a few guys who came here (and many of them stayed) when EFM went periodically down......
Do check Fonik's site first though, the collection of stuff there is a pretty good record of what we can find of the last few years, and shows what was going on, and, if anyone's got anything that 's not here or on the fonik site, speak up! there's at least one circuit ( the 9V version of the VCF6C for example, that got lost......)
EFM stuff can be made to work just fine, but be prepared for some odd PCB trace faults, and other weird shit. I got pissed off originally, then loved it, as I realised it was teaching me how to trace circuits and debug them. But don't expect the boards to be as trouble free as the boards that guys here are making. The guys here are seriously hard core, and you just have to follow the threads to see how feedback is making it all even better.
This Forum is a rather rare and wonderful thing that we are part of.
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mosc
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject:
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| toad008 wrote: | is this the right place to start asking questions about wildcat construction before i start asking and talking about it all?
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I think it would be a good idea to open a new topic about your questions building the Wildcat. A good subject might be something like "Buliding the Wildcat". Whatever... _________________ --Howard
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fonik

Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject:
Re: efm wildcat question Subject description: efm wildcat question resistors |
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| toad008 wrote: | i am currently working on a wildcat
i dont know what wattage the metal film resistors im supposed to order.
are the resistors wattage all the same for the whole pcb?
please help
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hello sage,
you don't have to care about wattage. just order 1/4W resistors. you won't exceed their limit and they would perfectly fit on the PCB.
use 1% metallfilm resistors, when suggested. you may want to use matched resistors for the VCOs core and CV sections to have similar behavior.
if you actually started building this synth and have questions about it, it would be nice to have it in a separate thread (just my 2 pence).
as dave mentioned, referring to yves site is a must, since he posted some crucial fixes and enhancements.
oh, and keep us informed about your progress. i still have a wildcat PCB waiting in the drawer. i plan to build a pre-wired performance synthesizer with keyboard from this PCB (for me it all started with EFM, so it will be a kind of tribute). _________________
cheers,
matthias
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Dragon's Lair

Joined: Dec 29, 2006 Posts: 205 Location: Hope BC, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:11 am Post subject:
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| It looks like everyone is on there own now, I just logged into the EFM site, and to all intents and purposes, it's gone, all that's there now is a blog with nothing on it. So it looks like Tom has abandoned his customers yet again, it's a good thing this forum exists, or we would all be screwed. |
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prophei

Joined: Jan 27, 2007 Posts: 234 Location: san francisco, ca
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:18 am Post subject:
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| Dragon's Lair wrote: | | It looks like everyone is on there own now, I just logged into the EFM site, and to all intents and purposes, it's gone, all that's there now is a blog with nothing on it. So it looks like Tom has abandoned his customers yet again, it's a good thing this forum exists, or we would all be screwed. |
maybe it is my fault! i chased him down in the KVR forum and publicly got on his shit for never responding to my countless emails, to which he said he'd help. then he still never responded to my emails and he said his isp wasn't sending him all his emails.
then he starts the forum and i sign up. i leave a repeat of my last emails asking him about the issues i have been having. 3 days later, the forum disappears and this lame blog now sits in its place.
haha, figures huh?
i was rather polite about the whole thing.. and this is what happens! |
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:55 am Post subject:
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Tom is a member here as well. And he has responded to some issues.
He has seen some hard times recently. Don´t´go too hard on him. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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fonik

Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:47 am Post subject:
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...and the EFM site is not totaly dead. tom installed a blog/discussion forum for the synth-diy list member gino wong, a place to discuss the VCF6. _________________
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Dave Kendall

Joined: May 26, 2007 Posts: 421 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:56 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | ...and the EFM site is not totaly dead. tom installed a blog/discussion forum for the synth-diy list member gino wong, a place to discuss the VCF6. |
IMO The VCF6C is a really good sounding VCF. Due to its frequency-related resonance behaviour, the perceived HPF effect that you often get in VCFs when resonance is cranked up, gets less as the cutoff frequency is lowered. With percussive resonant bass sounds, this means that you can have the "wow" and the "thump". A nice bottom end.
It also sounds good when overdriven, although the res behaviour becomes more erratic. An input level/gain is worth adding.
Yep. I'm a fan. My one regret with this VCF is not having bought more of them when they were being made......
Tom, if you're reading this, I'd *definitely* be up for some more of the original 1900 board with VC res, should you decide to do another run.......
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prophei

Joined: Jan 27, 2007 Posts: 234 Location: san francisco, ca
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:55 am Post subject:
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| elektro80 wrote: | Tom is a member here as well. And he has responded to some issues.
He has seen some hard times recently. Don´t´go too hard on him. |
i have never been unfair to him at all, i have been rather nice to him considering the absolutely shoddy customer service he has repeatedly provided. answering an email is not a big deal if you care at all about your customers. that's all i ever expected, hard times or not. |
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Dave Kendall

Joined: May 26, 2007 Posts: 421 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:50 am Post subject:
Subject description: more VCF6 mods |
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This page
was just flagged up in the synth diy list in case anyone here missed it.
IIRC, Harry Bissell from sdiy recommended 220uF for C9.
There's an empty area in the top left corner of the pcb if anyone wants to add a non-inverting summer for the CV inputs. You could just about get a TL072 + a few resistors in there.
Now, where's my pcb drill..........
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machvingtsun
Joined: Jul 07, 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Galway
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject:
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| Personally I like the look of the blog and Tom did give me help so hes not such a bad guy, havent tried posting to the blog yet though. |
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mosc
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:33 pm Post subject:
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If someone who talks to him feels like it, you can offer him a dedicated forum here. Then he won't have to maintain any software. Let him know people can upload images and audio here. _________________ --Howard
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:
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I sent him such a message yesterday.  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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mosc
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prophei

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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject:
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| that is a great idea. i hope he accepts! |
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raisinbag
Joined: Dec 28, 2011 Posts: 5 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject:
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| Hey, old topic, hope it is still alive. Does anyone have the original docs for the VCF2e? I have a PCB I found kicking around and want to build it up. I found the doc with the Mods on fonitronik site. Just was curious if there is anymore info out there before I start to build. Thanks |
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fluxmonkey
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:24 am Post subject:
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| raisinbag wrote: | | Hey, old topic, hope it is still alive. Does anyone have the original docs for the VCF2e? I have a PCB I found kicking around and want to build it up. I found the doc with the Mods on fonitronik site. Just was curious if there is anymore info out there before I start to build. Thanks |
on Fonik's EFM page: http://www.modular.fonik.de/Page37.html _________________ www.fluxmonkey.com |
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raisinbag
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:59 am Post subject:
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| fluxmonkey wrote: | | raisinbag wrote: | | Hey, old topic, hope it is still alive. Does anyone have the original docs for the VCF2e? I have a PCB I found kicking around and want to build it up. I found the doc with the Mods on fonitronik site. Just was curious if there is anymore info out there before I start to build. Thanks |
on Fonik's EFM page: http://www.modular.fonik.de/Page37.html |
Thanks fluxmonkey, though I have already looked there and only a modded version is there. I am looking for the instructions that Tom had on emf we site originally, just so I can compare to the moded version. Thanks. I have two old pcbs (vcf and vco)
I am finally going to build after 10+ years. |
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fonik

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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:30 am Post subject:
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got it. hope, this is the right one?
VCF2e org _________________
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raisinbag
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:45 am Post subject:
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| fonik wrote: | got it. hope, this is the right one?
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Thanks! That's the one! Geez both vco and vcf are not straight forward. Kinda PITA builds. Will be well worth it I'm sure. |
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keninverse
Joined: May 28, 2011 Posts: 15 Location: houston
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 9:26 pm Post subject:
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I finally finished my bassace that's been sitting on my shelf for quite some time. I had several issues with my build but with the help of the venerable Dave Brown I was able to get this thing working. I'd like to publicly thank him for all his help. Totally cool dude to help out.
1) First all the pots are wired backwards in the schematic in terms of conventional pin orientations. Most of my pots were wired up backwards for this reason...I can't believed I overlooked this.
2) The cut off pot on the filter has one side tied to V- and the other to V+ on the board. One side of the pot needs to be tied to ground instead of V+.
3) There are several instances where the BOM conflicts with the values listed on the schematic. As with all EFM diy GO WITH THE SCHEMATIC. I should have heeded this warning from the beginning. A few problems off the top of my head are the voltage dividers at the slide and accent CV inputs.
4) The kludges listed in the build docs are correct
5) Finally 0.1uF slide discharge cap (C11?) needed to be increased to 1uF
6) EG had problems with a wrong value resistor making up the R67/R68 divider. I think this was listed incorrectly in the BOM but may have been my mistake but I can't remember.
If I were just building this board I would rewrite the entire BOM based on the schematic. Hope this helps someone out there with a 7 year old project. |
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vladosh

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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:22 am Post subject:
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| Finished a SEM type filter recently from the wildcat schematics - it's the third vcf there .. so posting just cause i like the vcf a lot .. and strangely i don't get crazy resonance as Fonik said somewhere it just sounds good to me ,but speaking at the chat room folks (very grateful !) there advised me to put 10K resistor between the expo converter and the LM13700 so i did and later saw in other schematics of the same filter EFM had that 10K resistor .. so for anyone in a need of a simple and good sounding multimode vcf here's a layout with that 10K resistor http://www.flickr.com/photos/62167965@N08/6674259633/in/photostream |
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