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 Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:52 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: | One musical instrument attracts another.
I went to my jam band with my Yamaha MM6 and what do you know but the guitar player said "I have this old synth nobody plays....wanna borrow it?" And he brings this monster Roland D-20 that weighs 50 lbs. |
BY THE WAY....
anyone know where I can find a manual for this?
I googled, but all I found was "part two" (recording") I still want to know how I can access the basic functions.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:16 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: | | anyone know where I can find a manual for this? |
Here is a complete D-20 manual.
BTW: It's not analogue, or even a hybrid. All Roland D series synths are completely digital (except for the DAC...). But of course that has no bearing on the sound. Meaning, it sounds like it does, and if you like it, nothing changes just because of its implementation  I and my friends have had lots of fun and good sounds from Roland D synths. In fact one of my all time favourite synthesizers is a JD-990.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:44 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: | | I still want to know how I can access the basic functions. |
I have the (D-110) rack module version of that one.... with the manual.... but even with the manual it's quite hard to make sense of it. I don't think I ever even managed to even save anything in it.
These were they golden age of impossible to understand Roland synths with matching manuals.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:49 am Post subject:
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| Kassen wrote: | | laura woodswalker wrote: | | I still want to know how I can access the basic functions. |
I have the (D-110) rack module version of that one.... with the manual.... but even with the manual it's quite hard to make sense of it. I don't think I ever even managed to even save anything in it.
These were they golden age of impossible to understand Roland synths with matching manuals. |
Yeah. I don't expect to actually save anything. Just a few patches 'cause my band friend probably wants me to use it in the band for LOUD stuff.
If I actually want to do things I understand & know how to do, I'll stick to my Yamaha.
The 80's. That was the golden age of impossible to understand computers that only "nerds" could "program", LOL.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:10 am Post subject:
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| Kassen wrote: |
These were they golden age of impossible to understand Roland synths with matching manuals. |
I used to have an editor by Dr.T's (for Atari) for the D110 and that was the only way to program it 
it was the golden age of manuals written in "janglish" (japanese-english) 
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:23 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: |
The 80's. That was the golden age of impossible to understand computers that only "nerds" could "program", LOL. |
That's because 80's computers came with "BASIC", quite possibly the only computer language to be the target of multiple articles on how it's usage actually *damages* your ability to learn to program.
Not surprisingly the only D-110/ D-20/ etc fan that I know also programmed in basic.
It can do some very nice sounds though and there are some computer editors for it as well (and some editors from those days had a button for creating random sounds!), they are cheap, that's a advantage. Not sure about the D-20 but the D-110 has 8 or 10 separate outputs, that's quite generous....
Still, call me a "nerd" if you'd like but if I wanted that way of synthesis now I'd probably write a software emulation of the whole thing instead of trying to figure out the whole badly translated manual with it's impossibly to comprehend terminology (much of which seems to be made up on the spot).
Loading sounds should be easy enough but I fear the factory sounds don't come close to some of the cool textures it can do if pushed by a expert. No wonder 80's composers would sometimes use dedicated people to create sounds for them when recording....
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:
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| seraph wrote: |
I used to have an editor by Dr.T's (for Atari) for the D110 and that was the only way to program it
it was the golden age of manuals written in "janglish" (japanese-english) |
Yeah, I had a Atari editor as well but making Laura get a Atari would probably needlessly complicate it all.
I suspect that back then the idea was that digital synthesis was "new" and "advanced" and "technological" and that making up all that terminology ("Linear Arithmetic"?????!!!!!) was a way of conveying that image. The price was of course that it was then impossible to use but by that time the company had it's cash and the new owner could at least show off how "advanced" their equipment was to friends by simply repeating the terminology.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:31 am Post subject:
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| Kassen wrote: | if I wanted that way of synthesis now I'd probably write a software emulation of the whole thing instead of trying to figure out the whole badly translated manual with it's impossibly to comprehend terminology (much of which seems to be made up on the spot).
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It's a DINOSAUR.
Why do you think my friend said "nobody plays it, borrow it as long as you like." He was glad to get RID of it  .
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Still you may like some of the sounds stored in it and if you want to use it with a band you'll likely only need a few anyway. It *can* do weird noises so perhaps it would be worth it to set up some noises with a computer editor, store those and only use those with the band.
It's definitely better then not having a synth at all.... but I'm also quite sure it's not the friendly learning machine you have been questing for.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:46 am Post subject:
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| Kassen wrote: |
I suspect that back then the idea was that digital synthesis was "new" and "advanced" and "technological" and that making up all that terminology ("Linear Arithmetic"?????!!!!!) was a way of conveying that image. The price was of course that it was then impossible to use but by that time the company had it's cash and the new owner could at least show off how "advanced" their equipment was to friends by simply repeating the terminology.
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LOL!!!!
I saw that LA synthesis thing in the manual. I'm like "whaaa...? LA? Los Angeles?"
Ah yes.s... remember the 80s??
Everything about the 80s was the message "technology is great!" The music reflected that; having things that sounded 'robotic" was cool, computer games were all the rage, if you had a computer, you were SMART, everyone wanted to learn to program computers, Computers were GOD.
I remember my first computer from the 80s. Now it's firmly buried in the fossil record along with T-rex.
LOL!!!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: |
Translation:
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It's a DINOSAUR.
Why do you think my friend said "nobody plays it, borrow it as long as you like." He was glad to get RID of it . |
LOL! My D-20 is on "permanent loan" to my younger brother! |
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:00 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: |
I saw that LA synthesis thing in the manual. I'm like "whaaa...? LA? Los Angeles?"
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I honestly have no idea where that term comes from. They probably wanted a something that sounded complicated and abbreviated to two letters to compete with Yamaha's "FM" (Frequency Modulation... though they ended up with Phase Modulation.... sigh). Basically what Roland was doing was use a ring modulator to create a spectrum, then use a sample for the initial moments of the sound to make that bit sound expressive. Not a bad idea but hardly revolutionary and all the math involved is just some multiplication. I have no idea what's "linear" about it.
| Quote: | Ah yes.s... remember the 80s??
Everything about the 80s was the message "technology is great!" The music reflected that; having things that sounded 'robotic" was cool, computer games were all the rage, if you had a computer, you were SMART, everyone wanted to learn to program computers, Computers were GOD.
I remember my first computer from the 80s. Now it's firmly buried in the fossil record along with T-rex.
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Well, those bits were ok, the hair was more questionable.
To be honest my prime interest in the 80's was LEGO (I'm from '77), looking back that's probably for the best because it looks like everybody else was chiefly into coke.
Another fine topic derailment!
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:03 am Post subject:
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[quote="Kassen"] | laura woodswalker wrote: |
| Quote: | Ah yes.s... remember the 80s??
Everything about the 80s was the message "technology is great!" The music reflected that; having things that sounded 'robotic" was cool, computer games were all the rage, if you had a computer, you were SMART, everyone wanted to learn to program computers, Computers were GOD.
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Well, those bits were ok, the hair was more questionable.
To be honest my prime interest in the 80's was LEGO (I'm from '77), looking back that's probably for the best because it looks like everybody else was chiefly into coke.
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Hey, not really, Lego's are 'gear' too!
The hair on Guys was Great. 
I never did Coke.
Me and my kids were very into LEGOs though... they were Great! we played with them more than all the other toys combined. I mean ME too (the mom.)
Now they are way too commercialized and tied in to every movie.
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I really like the "Exoforce" sets, they are like Japanese manga mechs, except made of LEGO. Hardly use any of those large "custom" parts either.
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| Kassen wrote: | I really like the "Exoforce" sets, they are like Japanese manga mechs, except made of LEGO. Hardly use any of those large "custom" parts either.
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I used to secretly buy little sets & not let my kids see them and build them myself, LOL!!
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LEGO's great, I think. I don't like the movies stuff either but some of the new models are very creative. I really like how these Exoforce sets re-use some very old parts in completely new ways. I don't even have to be secretive about them, my GF likes them as well, though I can't get her into designing her own yet.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:47 am Post subject:
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| laura woodswalker wrote: | | ...remember the 80s?? |
That's my favourite decennium by far!
Everything happened in the 80s ...not least on the gear front, to stray on topic. I'm all for a rerun 
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| Oskar wrote: | | jksuperstar wrote: | | I picked myself up a Bass ... |
What bass? |
A Samick Fairlane FN-1. It was cheap ($140US), but it's actually pretty nice, compact (size of a guitar practically), and has some styling that's all it's own (small head, compact design, asymmetric dot placement).
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| jksuperstar wrote: | A Samick Fairlane FN-1. It was cheap ($140US), but it's actually pretty nice, compact (size of a guitar practically), and has some styling that's all it's own (small head, compact design, asymmetric dot placement).
http://www.gregbennettguitars.com/fn1.html |
Yeah, that one looks good! I prefer full scale basses myself, but there have been some really good sounding short-scale players, like Tina Weymout from Talking Heads.
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| Oskar wrote: | | jksuperstar wrote: | A Samick Fairlane FN-1. It was cheap ($140US), but it's actually pretty nice, compact (size of a guitar practically), and has some styling that's all it's own (small head, compact design, asymmetric dot placement).
http://www.gregbennettguitars.com/fn1.html |
Yeah, that one looks good! I prefer full scale basses myself, but there have been some really good sounding short-scale players, like Tina Weymout from Talking Heads. |
Small light basses for small hands are GREAT!!!
I have small hands myself. I don't like the heavy basses either.
I played on a blue Ibanez that had a cutaway back for lighter weight, a slender neck and an active pickup. The active pickup can be a pain because the battery runs out at odd times. I wonder if it has any connection with the smaller bass?
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| Actually, it is a full scale (34" bridge to nut), it's just the bridge is mounted way back on the body, so the neck is shorter and as a result, it has only 22 frets instead of a full complement of 24. |
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| jksuperstar wrote: | | it has only 22 frets instead of a full complement of 24. |
But somehow I don't think that matters for string length
BTW, recently bought a russian Electro Harmonix Big Muff. Very nice on guitar as well as bass, and still have to try out with my MS20.
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Old news really, as I've already listed my new equipment, but I have to say that my new QSC active speakers are shaping up like good 'uns! Not only do they deliver a lovely loud clear sound, but unlike other smallish (Mackie SR 450s and suchlike) active apeakers they manage to push the sound much farther back, so that the not only the first rows of listeners can hear me! Lovely!
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| bachus wrote: | | elektro80 wrote: | But the organ, an Eminent Theatre 310 Unique is mine.. all mine.. mine.. my precious...  |
But why why why? Is this like .. uh tubes and vinyl records? Demented minds want to know. Used be a repair person for that kind of thing when I was in my youth. |
Right! Robert, you are kinda supposed to know this:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may07/articles/eminent310.htm
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