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egw
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| It seems that no matter what definition of music you come up with, you can always find something on the edge, that maybe fits the definition and is not music, or is music but doesn't quite fit the definition. |
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elektro80
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Perhaps we have already been there, but I will still mention "Truth and Method" ( Wahrheit und methode ) by Hans-Georg Gadamer.
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As I was attempting to develop a philosophical hermeneutic, it followed from the previous history of hermeneutics that the interpretive (verstehenden) sciences provided my starting point. But to these was added a hitherto neglected supplement. I am referring to the experience of art. For both art and the historical sciences are modes of experiencing in which our own understanding of existence comes directly into play..... My starting point was thus the critique of Idealism and its Romantic traditions. It was clear to me that the forms of consciousness of our inherited and acquired historical education--aesthetic consciousness and historical consciousness--presented alienated forms of our true historical being. The primordial experiences that are transmitted through art and history are not to be grasped from the points of view of these forms of consciousness (Philosophical Apprenticeships, 1977) |
More:
Process, Emergence, and Recursivity, by Kris A. Murray
Gadamer, Art, and Play, by Karnezis
This is vital stuff!
Why is Gadamer relevant? This is because some of the thoughts posted regarding the very definition of music are recursive. Gadamer proposes excellent ideas regarding the experience and the understanding of art. At this point I think it far more intersting to go there, rather than getting stuck in a loop. We all seem to agree on what music is even though we cannot seemingly agree on a common terminology.
Wikipedia on Gadamer
Gadamer & the Light of the Word
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elektro80
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Another quote:
| Quote: | In fact history does not belong to us; but we belong to it. Long before we understand ourselves through the process of self-examination, we understand ourselves in a self-evident way in the family, society and state in which we live. The focus of subjectivity is a distorting mirror. The self-awareness of the individual is only a flickering in the closed circuits of historical life. That is why the prejudices [pre-judgments (Vorurteil)] of the individual, far more than his judgments, constitute the historical reality of his being.
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re the elephants, it seems to me that either:
1. the elephants are "smart" enough to be making music with thier instruments....and are "people" in this context.
2. the elephants are themselves instruments in the hands of the human handlers/sound engineers.
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elektro80
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brams
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Music is vibration (learned that in high school)
Everything else is vibration too (learned that in high school)
So music is everything else
And everything else is music |
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paul e.
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| brams wrote: | Music is vibration (learned that in high school)
Everything else is vibration too (learned that in high school)
So music is everything else
And everything else is music |
well said....
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Kassen
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| brams wrote: | Music is vibration (learned that in high school)
Everything else is vibration too (learned that in high school)
So music is everything else
And everything else is music |
I'm not quite sure logic works that way...
Welcome on board!
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mi_dach
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| Kassen wrote: | I'm not quite sure logic works that way...
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Logic makes my teeth hurt. |
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seraph
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| Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:21 am Post subject:
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| mi_dach wrote: |
Logic makes my teeth hurt. |
do you mean Logic Pro or Express  
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| brams wrote: | Music is vibration (learned that in high school)
Everything else is vibration too (learned that in high school)
So music is everything else
And everything else is music |
 Brams. Well said.
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| Kassen wrote: | | brams wrote: | Music is vibration (learned that in high school)
Everything else is vibration too (learned that in high school)
So music is everything else
And everything else is music |
I'm not quite sure logic works that way...
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it doesn't ..that's what makes it fun !
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