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doctor tropico
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hi all.
Just got my Nord Rack 2, loving the sound of it.
But one there is one thing that seems very strange to me. It seems I can't select just a single program slot (A-B-C or D)
When I put my K49 on Midi Ch 1, I can hear all the sounds on the slots that are on Midi Ch 1, even if just one slot is selected.
I can avoid this by setting every slot to a different Midi Channel, but than I have to switch Midi Channels whenever I want to select a different slot. But the bigger problem that presents itself is: I cannot play two slots layered at the same time (because they react on different midi channels)
Hope I explained it good enough for someone to help me with this.
thanks in advance.
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| Manual Page 71 wrote: | All four Program Slots always receive MIDI, regardless of which one is selected, or if layering of one or
more slots is activated or not. However, all Slots used in a Layer (i.e. all Slots that are activated) will also
receive on the MIDI channel set for the leftmost active Slot!
This means that if you have a layer consisting of Slots A, B and D, and Slot A is set to MIDI channel 1,
both Slots B and D will receive on channel 1, as well as on their respective set channels. |
Well, I believe the Manual gives you the answer. Just don't change anything and leave the Slots A = Ch1, B = Ch2, C = Ch3 and D = Ch4. No problemo!
BTW Why do you want to change Slots when playing? Just change the Progam in that Slot.
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doctor tropico
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:
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Hey wout.
Well, i've seen that part in the manual, and it seemed the logical way of how things would work...( it was how I expected it to work  )
Unfortunately, when I set u my Nord Rack as you described, wit A=1, B=2, ...., and I select A and B simultaniously, i still only hear what is on slot A. As explained on page thirteen of the manual, that is (or should be) how you set up for playing layers, so you would expect to hear A and B...
I have this feeling that I am missing on something very basic, but I just can not find out what. Could it have something to do with the fact that this is a Rack version? (different setup ?)
oh, and to answer your question: I want to use the slots to have a quicker switch from program x to another one. It comes in handy when playing live with the band.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:
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Any chance you have the same Program in both Slots?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject:
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Nope.. different programs in all slots.
I've also made sure that the output per slot is set up correctly....
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject:
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Is Slot B Midi Channel set to 'off'?
Setting the Midi Keyboard to the Channel used by Slot B does work, so only Slot By will be played?
Just tried my NordRack (Lead1) and all works fine...
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| doctor tropico wrote: | | ... I've also made sure that the output per slot is set up correctly.... |
Which Output mode?
Mixing desk?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:33 am Post subject:
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | Is Slot B Midi Channel set to 'off'?
Setting the Midi Keyboard to the Channel used by Slot B does work, so only Slot By will be played?
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No, when B set to "off", it doesn't play it's program, not even when it is selected together with A (who is on Ch1).
When I set A on 1, B on 2, and the keyboard on 2, B plays like a charm. I tried a lot of different setups, because at first i thought it was a hardware problem.
| Wout Blommers wrote: |
Which Output mode?
Mixing desk? |
well, as described in this topic
http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-21263.html
All slots are on out mode 3ab
Maybe I'll have to make a little video on how I set it up... would that make things a bit clearer?
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| doctor tropico wrote: | | ... Unfortunately, when I set u my Nord Rack as you described, wit A=1, B=2, ...., and I select A and B simultaniously, i still only hear what is on slot A. ... |
This works fine in my set up!
It even works when all Slots (except A) are set to 'Off'.
When A=Off all stops...
There is no Midi Through or something like that, so it has to work...
| Quote: | | ... Could it have something to do with the fact that this is a Rack version? (different setup ?) ... |
That's why they did this all in the first place 
Why are you using Output mode 3ab, that strange alternating signal? I would suggest 1ab, which is much more natural. If you need a stereo sound try Unison at a value of 1 (no detuning) |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:30 am Post subject:
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| doctor tropico wrote: | | ... When I set A on 1, B on 2, and the keyboard on 2, B plays like a charm. |
You just play on Channel 2 or did you also 'activate' Slot B? B will always react to the Midi Channel it is set. Set Slot A=off, so it can't influence Slot B...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:21 am Post subject:
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | doctor tropico wrote: | | ... When I set A on 1, B on 2, and the keyboard on 2, B plays like a charm. |
You just play on Channel 2 or did you also 'activate' Slot B? B will always react to the Midi Channel it is set. Set Slot A=off, so it can't influence Slot B...
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When I set A on 1, B on 2 and the keyboard on 2 I always hear what is on slot B. Even if A is activated.
When I put A in "off", B on 1 and the keyboard on 1, It also plays what is in slot B, even if B is not selected.
Basically you can put it like this: you play the programs that are in the slots that are set to the same Channel as my keyboard. Always..., even if only one of those slots is selected. So if I put all slots on Ch1, it's like I play 4 layers. If I set it up like A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, I only hear what is on slot A. Even if B, C, or D is selected. It only listens to the midi channel, not to the slot I select.
And it makes no differenceto this if I set output to 1ab ...
the tip with the unison on value one sounds nice though.... thanks.
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Maybe I need to reset the Nord.. is there a way to do that?
Or maybe I need to re-install my OS? ( i'm on 1.06 now)
 
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| doctor tropico wrote: | | When I set A on 1, B on 2 and the keyboard on 2 I always hear what is on slot B. Even if A is activated. |
That's right, because Slot A doesn't do anything. However, Slot C should react to Slot B
| Quote: | | When I put A in "off", B on 1 and the keyboard on 1, It also plays what is in slot B, even if B is not selected. |
Also as in the book
| Quote: | | Basically you can put it like this: you play the programs that are in the slots that are set to the same Channel as my keyboard. Always..., even if only one of those slots is selected. So if I put all slots on Ch1, it's like I play 4 layers. |
This makes sense too! | Quote: | If I set it up like A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, I only hear what is on slot A. Even if B, C, or D is selected. It only listens to the midi channel, not to the slot I select.
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That's strange... You use A and B simultaniously? | Quote: | And it makes no difference to this if I set output to 1ab ...
the tip with the unison on value one sounds nice though.... thanks. |
Of course, it's only the output. I always use the Unison this way
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:21 am Post subject:
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | doctor tropico wrote: | | When I set A on 1, B on 2 and the keyboard on 2 I always hear what is on slot B. Even if A is activated. |
That's right, because Slot A doesn't do anything. However, Slot C should react to Slot B
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And what should slot C be set to than?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:16 am Post subject:
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| doctor tropico wrote: | | And what should slot C be set to than? |
However, all Slots used in a Layer (i.e. all Slots that are activated) will also receive on the MIDI channel set for the leftmost active Slot!
Which says it all
Well, only when A isn't active or select. Those IC's also need a day off once in a while
Just found out something after all these years and the conclusion is: You should change to a NordLead Key!!!
What I found is: changing the Program in a Slot stops the sound, so using a long Release time the sound will be cut off immediately! Changing Slots the sound the latest Release will be finnished and that sound doesn't react to Midi anymore. Even worse: the Slot will keep the sound running (Sustain) as long the latest keys are hold and will start Release after the keys are released.
In my practise I have so many 'Slots' (25 to be precise) I never use Program Chance or something like that making music.
Wow...
Even using the [Shift+Hold] keeps the Slots running
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:
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First of all, hello everyone!
Since i'm experiencing the same problem i thought it would be better to reply in this thread (instead of opening a new one dealing with the same problem)
I've bought recently a nord rack 2 and i'm having the exact same problem. doctor tropico, were you able to resolve this problem on your nord rack? Can anyone help? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject:
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colony
I surely don't know if the problem is solved. I'll send a PM to doctor tropico.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:24 am Post subject:
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hey you guys.
The problem is not solved yet, I've tried a lot of things, and talked to some people, but nobody seems to know what is causing this problem.
I am planning to take it to http://www.the-soundfactory.com
If they come up with a solution, I'll make sure to let you know.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:
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Thanks for the answers.
I'm going to try also a couple of things, but i'm probably going to have to send it to somewhere to get it fixed. If the guys in soundfactory come up with a solution please tell me.
Doctor tropico, aside from this situation, have you experienced other problems with your nord rack?
if it worth it to send an email to the clavia tech support? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:21 am Post subject:
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hey.
Aside from this, the nord works just fine.
I've emailed clavia with the problem, and received some suggestions after a week or something. So I think it's worth trying.
drt
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I don't know if you noticed this doctor tropico but today I was messing around with my nord rack and i found out that if I use the trigger button instead of a midi controller, everything works as it should.
I can hear every slot I choose. Have you tried this?
It almost looks like it not a problem on the nord per se but in the communication with the midi keyboard. Does this make any sense? |
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| Colony wrote: | | ... It almost looks like it not a problem on the nord per se but in the communication with the midi keyboard. Does this make any sense? |
That's what
| Wout Blommers wrote: | ... Just found out something after all these years and the conclusion is: You should change to a NordLead Key!!!
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:10 am Post subject:
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hey.
Just got my Nord back from the Soundfactory.
They looked a few tghings up in the manual, tried some things out on the Nord, and the conclusion is: The Rack version is just a bit different than the Lead version (due to the MIDI communication). If you want to play layers, do it via performance mode.
So it's like Wout said: change to a Nord Lead key.
Or like I'm going to do: buy a PCMCIA card so I can setup and save my performances just like I want to use them live.
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