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Some math behind "A Hard Day's Night (UPDATED) |
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http://blog.wired.com/music/files/n-oct04-harddayjib.pdf
Here is a followup I received in an email from Dr Dobbs Journal- regarding the article. I didn't look to see if it was posted on their site.
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"Finally, in response to "Hard Day's Math," which prompted this thread, reader Ken Graham was kind enough to share the following tidbit about what I hope is the true story of the opening chord to a "Hard Day's Night":
Actually, in a story attributed to an interview with Joe Walsh, the first time Joe met George Harrison he played the first few bars of "Hard Day's Night." George asked Joe how he learned to play that beginning so well. Joe said that it took a lot of practice and improvising a non-standard fingering for one of the guitar chords. To which George was reported to have said, "That's amazing, because we cheated. We restrung two of my 12 string guitars and Paul played the top 6 strings on one guitar and I played the bottom 6 strings on the other."
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| Antimon wrote: | Brilliant! 
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Yeah- I thought it was quite clever
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:47 am Post subject:
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I read it all 
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I doesn't mention if anyone bothered to simply ask Paul or George (Martin), what they played. Or, for that matter, John or George (Harrison) back when it was possible. A fun exercise anyway.
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It still is one of the icons in music. Just hear the chord and you'll know. And now I'm playing those records again and again today...
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject:
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | It still is one of the icons in music. Just hear the chord and you'll know. And now I'm playing those records again and again today...
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This reminds me- I still haven't read that book "Recording The Beatles" yet- it's very thick and heavy, but it should be filled with lots of interesting details.
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Could someone post a one second sample of that chord? ... I never noticed anything special about that song's beginning 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:23 am Post subject:
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| cappy2112 wrote: | http://blog.wired.com/music/files/n-oct04-harddayjib.pdf
Here is a followup I received in an email from Dr Dobbs Journal- regarding the article. I didn't look to see if it was posted on their site.
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"Finally, in response to "Hard Day's Math," which prompted this thread, reader Ken Graham was kind enough to share the following tidbit about what I hope is the true story of the opening chord to a "Hard Day's Night":
Actually, in a story attributed to an interview with Joe Walsh, the first time Joe met George Harrison he played the first few bars of "Hard Day's Night." George asked Joe how he learned to play that beginning so well. Joe said that it took a lot of practice and improvising a non-standard fingering for one of the guitar chords. To which George was reported to have said, "That's amazing, because we cheated. We restrung two of my 12 string guitars and Paul played the top 6 strings on one guitar and I played the bottom 6 strings on the other."
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If the Beatles used Rickenbacker 12-string electrics, these 12-string guitars have the their octave strings placed above the primary strings instead of below. This produces that characteristic sound that can also be heard in some songs by The Byrds, Tom Petty, because the octave string is strummed before the primary string.
I don't remember seeing any pictures of the Beatles holding 12-string guitars though.
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Normally a 12 string has this set up, when hitting the strings downwards, which is along with gravity, not pitch
oct E - E - oct A - A - oct D - D - oct G - G - B - B - E - E.
Rickenbacker changed it in
E - oct E - A - oct A - D - oct D - G - oct G - B - B - E - E.
Many times the oct G is replaced by G, because of snapping to early and to keep the high E the highest sounding note, although it 'rings' less bright.
Roger McQuinn saw the Rickenbacker 12 string played by George Harrison in a TV registration and wondered where the six tuning pegs where hidden he didn't saw. (Or was it the other way around? - Can't find the books now  )
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BTW Jan, that chord stands for the sound of the sixties, just like 'Hokus Pokus, iedereen kan to-veren' stands for the Belgium/Dutch music of 2000 |
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| cappy2112 wrote: | | My ears don't hear it either. |
You're kidding...
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | ...wondered where the six tuning pegs where hidden he didn't saw... |
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Yep, I know, but Roger (or Jim) didn't knew then
Is this guitar yours?
Anyway, The Beatles are White Epiphone - Rickenbacker 12 string - Hofner Violin Bass and Ludwig drums... playing on Vox amplifiers. How often is a picture burned into your brains? Fender Stratocaster and Jimi Hendrix? Gibson SG and Frank Zappa? Brian Jones and the Vox guitar?
Did I ever told the joke about Keith Moon in Heaven...?
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| Wout Blommers wrote: |
Is this guitar yours?
Did I ever told the joke about Keith Moon in Heaven...?
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | cappy2112 wrote: | | My ears don't hear it either. |
You're kidding...
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I guess it's the "over 40 freq. rolloff" thing
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| Wout Blommers wrote: |
and wondered where the six tuning pegs where hidden he didn't saw. (Or was it the other way around? - Can't find the books now )
BTW Jan, that chord stands for the sound of the sixties, just like 'Hokus Pokus, iedereen kan to-veren' stands for the Belgium/Dutch music of 2000 |
BC Rich have an innovative way of dealing with "the other 4 tuning pegs" on their 10-string Rich Bich guitar. These a re located at the other end of the guitar- near the bridge. http://www.bcrich.com/bichR.html
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Yeah...
It's like The Rolling Stones who want to have a heavy guitar sound, which made them, together with their lead vocalist, famous, BTW. Removing the bass E string allowed much heavier equalizing...
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | Normally a 12 string has this set up, when hitting the strings downwards, which is along with gravity, not pitch
oct E - E - oct A - A - oct D - D - oct G - G - B - B - E - E.
Rickenbacker changed it in
E - oct E - A - oct A - D - oct D - G - oct G - B - B - E - E.
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Oops- I got that one backwards
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| seraph wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | ...wondered where the six tuning pegs where hidden he didn't saw... |
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Mmm, love that wood layout. It looks the same on my precious 330.  Clever, those extra tuners.
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| cappy2112 wrote: | | My ears don't hear it either. |
Thanks for posting Tony, now that I hear it I do remember ... but the specialty must have a cultural reason
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | 'Hokus Pokus, iedereen kan to-veren' stands for the Belgium/Dutch music of 2000 |
Hocus pocus focus  I know that one  but that was surely long before 2000 ... more like 1970  but erm .. there is no need here I think to post a one second sample
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | 'Hokus Pokus, iedereen kan to-veren' stands for the Belgium/Dutch music of 2000 |
Hocus pocus focus I know that one but that was surely long before 2000 ... more like 1970 but erm .. there is no need here I think to post a one second sample |
Is that group Dutch??
I thought the name of the song was "Hocus Pocus", and the group was Focus
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