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using midi cc for launching notes
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:41 am    Post subject: using midi cc for launching notes Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

is there any easy way to control notes by sending midi CC instead of midi note messages? i wonder if touchpad x/y control of kaoss pad, which is sendig CCs can be used to control nord modular patch in a similiar way to korg's kaosiilator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grlJYuRKLkk

in other words i would like to replace midi keyboard with midi cc device but i want contol notes.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is probably possible, but it needs some experimentation ... I don't have an NM-Classic set up here, so I used the G2 (but no G2 specific modules I think).

In order to start a new note when a controller value changes you'll need a change detector coupled to a knob (constant module) that moves with the CC value associated with the Y coordinate of the touch pad.

Something like the green modules in attached image, you'll want to experiment with the LFO rate and the amount of amplification after the rectifier module.

The constant module labeled CC-X should be associated with a CC value by associating it's knob with both a front panel knob and a controller.

There are other ways to do change detection as well BTW, for instance a High Pass filter could be used followed by a (full wave) rectifier module.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes.

Take a Constant module, assign the parameter to any Midi CC you want, feed the signal into a NoteQuantisizer to keep the thing 'in tune'.

Does the Kaoss send a Gate/Trigger?
I don't know, but I think you want a trigger also...

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Jan, why do you use the Constant in BiPolar mode? I would choose UniPolar.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Unipolar would be better yes, it's just a demonstration of an idea Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i have problems with finding replacements in classic modular for some modules. can rect1 be replaced with diode? what is mix2? is it regular mixer mixing two signals - i suppose is not. can levamp be replaced with g1 levmult?

this is what i done so far but i'm not sure about replacements so i stopped for now. please see atachment.

is there any way to build simplier setup?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
Yes.
Does the Kaoss send a Gate/Trigger?


yes. it has three ccs. one is for pad touch two for x and y axis.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok, I'll translate ... see attached image.

You seem to be using an old version of the editor and synth OS (i.e. not 3.03)? Things look a bit odd on your screen dump, like the shape of the cables and some module details missing ... so maybe you don't have the modules I used ...

When you have a separate CC for touch you don't need the change detector indeed but you can directly use a bipolar constant coupled to that CC to control an envelope and the other CCs can be mapped directly to frequency for instance by associating an oscillator's frequency control knob with the CC for the X direction.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Like attached, knob 1 and knob 2 would have to be associated with the proper MIDI CC too.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Ok, I'll translate ... see attached image.
You seem to be using an old version of the editor and synth OS (i.e. not 3.03)? Things look a bit odd on your screen dump, like the shape of the cables and some module details missing


it is 3.03 but in nomad editor. thank you a lot for translation - i will try to build it and let you know about the results.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thoffir wrote:
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Ah yes, could have guessed I guess Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jan,

i'm trying first of your patches (attachment) and it gives a sound while i'm turning constant knob as supposed, but pitch does not change.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think the parameter called Pitch on OscB has to be set to 127 (full open).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I think the parameter called Pitch on OscB has to be set to 127 (full open).


That would surely help!

Also : try to experiment to see if you need the two 4x amplifiers and how fast you can set the LFO (the LFO rate will determine the worst case reaction time the ~70 Hz it now runs at means ~14 ms worst case reaction time).

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
I think the parameter called Pitch on OscB has to be set to 127 (full open)


thanks, now i can generate nice r2d2 sounds Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thoffir wrote:
thanks, now i can generate nice r2d2 sounds Smile
Your life is now perfect and complete... Wink

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