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And the new Nord is a C2
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: And the new Nord is a C2 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Incredible! Its 2009 and technology has delivered the G2. But Nord's new product is err, another organ.

Personally, I bought myself a G2 Engine and am very pleasantly surprised at what it can achieve. Knobs and displays would have been nice, but running the G2 editor alongside the DAW software is much easier than I thought. And the possiblities of the G2 architecture are vast, yet a nicely modelled organ does say 6 or 7 different tones really well?

Obviously I'm out of fashion because everyone else is partying like its 1969.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's got me thinking about just building a portable modular myself from scratch. Looks like I will just go in this direction now.

Thanks Clavia!! you saved me some real money!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, I love the sound of a great Hammond as much as I love my G2s. But I hope they don't abandon all of their modular knowledge. The C2 looks nice, but as I don't play a lot of pipe organ, personally I'd probably go for the C1 if I can find one being blown out somewhere.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Can a C1 or C2 be replicated well in the G2 Modular do you think?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Jackout wrote:
Can a C1 or C2 be replicated well in the G2 Modular do you think?

Kind of, but not really, imo. There will be phase cancellation issues. A genuine Hammond organ (or a good emulation) has one gear per pitch, whose sound is used whenever that pitch is needed. But a synthesizer emulation will use separate oscillators for each voice, meaning that multiple oscillators may be sounding the same pitch (depending on the drawbars used and the notes played). If the oscillators are not completely in phase (and they won't be) they will cancel each other out in varying degrees, leading to a hollowness in the sound.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The most impressive Hammond models I've heard on the G2 don't come close to what's being done on a C1. Plus, there's the playability factor, two manuals, etc.

However, I have heard some GREAT pipe organ emulations on the G2. Miind you, I haven't played a lot of pipe organ either. I don't know how accurate they are when changing stops, etc. But they sound much better than the samples in the big three workstations, and are far more tweakable.

I think the C2 will be very popular with classical students who can afford them, and the church market. Plus, it seems that they've made a few tweaks to the Hammond sound as well, which never hurts.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

peterkadar wrote:
Well, I love the sound of a great Hammond as much as I love my G2s. But I hope they don't abandon all of their modular knowledge. The C2 looks nice, but as I don't play a lot of pipe organ, personally I'd probably go for the C1 if I can find one being blown out somewhere.


You can't beat the sound of a Hammond in rock music going at full steam, and coupled with a great synth such as a G2 then I'd be in hog heaven. Very Happy

I have my G2 Engine, and it's great for retro synth sounds (and many other things to boot). I'm currently using a NI B4 on a laptop at the moment in my live/studio rig, but I'd love a C2! Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: And the new Nord is a C2 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah - i'm a little dumstruck - bit like when the took the wave and loaded it with mellotron sounds ( which i love but for god sake lets get into 2009 )Clavia feel like they are moving into 'bigger markets ' rather than inventing new markets and all the time the g2 secondhand goes up in value - the expansions arnt available and its like a form of madness all of it - they area classic example of a company who lay a golden egg and then cant see it.....and instead see only ' business models ' and ' traditional ' as safe % margins.Where are we if we remove invention ?yes - all in 1074 playing melltron samples on 2008 technology and emulating organs.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Clavia has the keys and they shut them away, looks like for good now.

I don't know why Clavia could not release something with modular capabilities and keep the presets for people who don't want to get into the guts of the instrument.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: And the new Nord is a C2 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ix wrote:
yeah - i'm a little dumstruck - bit like when the took the wave and loaded it with mellotron sounds ( which i love but for god sake lets get into 2009 )Clavia feel like they are moving into 'bigger markets ' rather than inventing new markets and all the time the g2 secondhand goes up in value - the expansions arnt available and its like a form of madness all of it - they area classic example of a company who lay a golden egg and then cant see it.....and instead see only ' business models ' and ' traditional ' as safe % margins.Where are we if we remove invention ?yes - all in 1074 playing melltron samples on 2008 technology and emulating organs.


The problem is that a company will innovate for so long and then go with market forces when technical innovation is a poor seller. And to be fair to the companies, they're there to make money as well as trying to please a minority.

Take Yamaha as an example. I love Yamaha gear circa the nineties. They came up with the SY77, EX5, AN1x, FS1R in a short period: all amazing synths full of depth and character (I have them all!). The EX5 is my main "axe" and it was a stupendous failure for Yamaha as their flagship synth as it was too "deep" for the masses (and a bit buggy). So Yamaha since then have progressively dumbed down to "me too" ROMPLERs that sound good, but don't excite me at all.

Nord have an amazing product in the G2, but how many "serious" synth heads are out there to justify all the design and engineering costs for coming up with a G3?

I was intrigued by the Nord Wave and its Mellotron sample library as I'm a huge fan of prog, and IMHO the Mellotron sound is timeless (and ethereal and haunting). Sadly for Clavia, I couldn't justify spending that amount of money on the Wave when i could buy the MTRON VST for a fraction of the price.

Don't get me wrong. I love the G2, and would like a C1 if finances permitted. Long may they continue.

I also love my SAAB 2.8V6 Turbo for similar reasons! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I come to the table late, buying a G2 Engine just months before it was officially discontinued. That wasn't a surprise to me, I was actually grateful to get a G2 of some kind before they were all gone.

I don't really see why the G2 doesn't continue in new Nords. All Nords are a keyboard, buttons and displays, CPU processing and I/O converters. Even if the Nord Modular architecture didn't progress, it would have been great if the existing G2 code sat in some optional menu for legacy compatibility. OK its unlikely, but surely not completely impossible. Even if the front panel didn't have G2 controls, I know its perfectly possible to do everything with a G2 Engine and the computer software. Its as if Nord want to disassociate themselves from it. Young dudes may not think about the lifetime of synths, but as an old dude I do think about how my boards will run in 20 years time.

I am enjoying exploring the G2. But when my G2 blows up, the programming from me and all the generous contributors on this forum are gone.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm curious as to how many G2's actually sold.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, the good news is that the G2s, as well as the rest of the Nord line, are very well made boards. I have a lot of keyboards that are from the 80s that still work great, and many of them aren't as robust as a G2.

As far as the software side of things go, I think we'll be able to use our Vista/XP/OSX machines for a while. Personally, I have a G4 laptop as well as a 1st generation Mac Mini that I got used for like 50 bucks. If all I do with it is keep in safe so that I'll have a machine that will edit my G2s 15 years from now, I'm cool with that. My Atari 1040st is still going strong if I feel the need to press it into service. And for those with the engine, I think they might be in the best position; there's almost no moving parts to break, or anything to go wrong with it. I'm sure those will be around for a good while yet too.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I hope that moving forward, even if the PC/Mac architecture changes in a big way, we'll still be able to run a suitable old OS using virtualisation / emulation.

So long as that OS is still able to access a USB port...

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