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New Serge M-odule released: the Audio Matrix Mixer M-odule.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:32 am    Post subject:  New Serge M-odule released: the Audio Matrix Mixer M-odule. Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hello,

a new Serge M-odule has just been released: the 'Audio Matrix Mixer' M-odule.

it contains (from left to right):
an ac-coupled Matrix Mixer, a Dual VCA (both ac-coupled) and another Dual VCA (also both vca's ac-coupled).

price is 1600 usd.

the audio matrix mixer module includes an extra attenuator in each of its 4 inputs, to control the amount of each sonic element that is applied to ALL 4 output mixes of the matrix.

also, inputs one and two include a phase inverting and muting switch.

so, just imagine the possibilities with this new m-odule...

for example, by mixing 3 audio sources (from NTO's, PCO's, DSG's, etc...) and using the 4th matrix mixer input to create feedback (after processing one mix of these 3 audio sources with another Serge sonic mangler) and also using the 4 ac-coupled vca's to introduce organic AM into your patches (either in the inputs or outputs of various devices), the tonal complexity you could achieve will be limitless...

i can personally recommend this m-odule, as i have the dc-coupled brother of this (the 'CV Matrix Mixer' m-odule) in my system and it is simply great.

there is an M-odule sketch in the folder "m-odules sketches" of the files section of the Yahoo Serge Modular Users Group.

(all text above courtesy of the friendly 'Bakis' organic device. Very Happy )

thanks,
best regards,
Bakis.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

$1600 Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've had an interest in the Creature module for a while. It's not that much cheaper, but it is self-contained (meaning, it can make sounds all by itself), which is sort of a first for Serge/STS.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BobTheDog wrote:
$1600 Shocked

I think all those dollars get sucked into the number of work hours required to construct one of these. Judging by these photos on muffwiggler, not much is spent on 5% resistors, Alpha pots and bare PCBs (with no soldermask) mounted with plasticuffs.

you can see their construction methods have not evolved much since the seventies (except for the plasticuffs), so to build one of these must be quite labour intensive.
actually... it looks just like a diy synth!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you want skilled people make your stuff you have to pay for it.
It's all hand made good stuff imho.
It's kinda lame to judge it only by the number off components used.
Serge is in my top list off favorite modular synths.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I completely agree, a hand-made product is a rare item these days and, as said, much of the price goes into the labour.

wasn't bitching about the number of components, yes that would be silly, but the quality?...it can't cost that much more to get a soldermask on the PCBs, buy some 1% resistors and mount the PCBs properly.

How many other expensive (or any?) electronic products have you seen that have the PCBs mounted with plasticuffs?

Serge is also top of my list of favorite modular synths, but that doesn't mean there is no room for improvement....or is part of the deal the fact you can buy one just how they were made in the seventies?

nostalgia sells
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't know what can be improved about an audio matrix mixer.
But lots off other modules have been improved over the years.
Just like the front panels.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mono-poly wrote:
I don't know what can be improved about an audio matrix mixer.


how about

reduce 1/f noise by using metal film resistors

use modern quiet op-amps rather than the 4558s and whatall from the 70s

redesign PCBs so the pots are mounted on the PCBs (see CGS MM), this will greatly reduce construction time, reduce crosstalk and improve reliability as wires are the weakest point in any circuit.

If the PCB is properly mounted, there will be less movement/vibration during transportation, meaning the unprotected wires (no heatshrink tubing over the terminals = Shocked ) will be less likely to fray and break over time.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think serge boards are mounted very well.
I don;t know about the caps you did mention.
And i think pots shouldn't be mount to the pcb's
I know people who have 30+ years old Serge systems witch stil work.
So i am not sure if the quality is that bad.

Oow and better opamps can kill a design and make it non musical.
And it's all nice better specified parts but all what counts is how it sounds.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mono-poly wrote:
I think serge boards are mounted very well.
I don;t know about the caps you did mention.
And i think pots shouldn't be mount to the pcb's
I know people who have 30+ years old Serge systems witch stil work.
So i am not sure if the quality is that bad.

Oow and better opamps can kill a design and make it non musical.
And it's all nice better specified parts but all what counts is how it sounds.

indeed.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Parallel Worlds wrote:
mono-poly wrote:
I think serge boards are mounted very well.
I don;t know about the caps you did mention.
And i think pots shouldn't be mount to the pcb's
I know people who have 30+ years old Serge systems witch stil work.
So i am not sure if the quality is that bad.

Oow and better opamps can kill a design and make it non musical.
And it's all nice better specified parts but all what counts is how it sounds.

indeed.


Agreed. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

the musicians have spoken Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:33 am    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Lol
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