analog bbd delay- moog vs doepfer vs others

chimologic · Joined: Apr 07, 2008 Posts: 2 Location: new york

Wonderign if anyone here owns the moog analog delay mf-104z, and has anythign to say about it. I currently have a doepfer bbd (4096 stages) and looking at possibly replacing it with the moog, to open some space on my portable suitcase, as I use it currently mostly as a delay and don't use the other weirder features much.

My only concern is if I can get the same wall of layered analog delay sound from the Moog I get from the doeper, I know the vc stuff will work fine.

Mohoyoho · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:

I have one, and I like it. One of it's unusual features is a send/return. The 104Z has a separate out with a gain control so that you can send and return the delay signal out to another processor. Of course all the parameters can be voltage controlled. Like most analogue delays, each generation of delay gets rougher. You can set the feedback to repeat endlessly and you can push it further where it starts repeating the repeats, and it can get quite chaotic. I guess that what you mean by a wall.

ndkent · Joined: Jan 03, 2006 Posts: 66 Location: new york

I have both. The Moogerfooger seems to have good fidelity as a goal, though still sounds like a bbd of course. The Doepfer entirely skips some kind of filter and some kind of compander circuit, both of which most BBD delay units tend to include. So without them the fidelity is far below the Moogerfooger.

What you get with the Doepfer is a very elaborate feedback routing system and the ability to push it into ranges that create odd sounds. So I'd rate it as having more potential to make messed up wider ranging sounds that aren't straight delays while the Moogerfooger gives you one of the best if not the best sounding delay you can get out of BBD chips. Both give you the CV control that you can't get from stomp boxes.

lanxe · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject:

i have played with the original mf104 and fell in love....i like delay and the moogerfooger gives a very expressive way of playing around.

i wish i could afford one though Shocked

for now i will settle for the non-voltage controlled line6 delay (which is not too bad, but no moog).

dont know much about the doepfer, but wouldnt mind checking it out.

Ryan

ldt · Joined: Jun 22, 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Denmark

I tried the Moog for some hours, and I must say that it did not turn me on. What it does, it does it well, but the only delay you get, is a VERY dark sounding delay. You can overdrive it nicely, but everything it does has thing muffled sound.
My favorite analogue delay is my Yamaha E1010 (which is incredibly easy to mod for a cv in and a longer delay). This baby gives me so much more on the sonic palette. You can switch the number of BB thingies, so if you set a low number and a long delay you get a really lofi sound full of artifacts, but if you set a high number of BB you get a full sounding beautiful analog delay. Highs are off course rolled off, but not killed like I feel they are in the moog pedal.
So the short version woud be: Try before you buy.

(I remember one more thing: When making feedback, the moog always ends up in some very dark mud. I love that in the E1010 your feedback takes its colour from the input signal.)

EDIT: one more thing: I recently bought another E1010 for 100 euro. So if you are on a budget....

synthetic · Joined: Jun 02, 2007 Posts: 76 Location: Glendale, CA

Has anyone checked out the new MXR Carbon Copy? True BBD for $150, I'm strongly tempted to give it a go.

v-un-v · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject:

FWIW, I've had my eye on the Toadworks Redux for a while now. Although it doesn't have voltage control (modded anyone?) it does have a really odd random space period delay- can't really explain, you must listen to it, it's very beautiful; (The Redux is the green pedal, top right hand side btw);

http://www.toadworksusa.com/

3vcos · Joined: Oct 26, 2006 Posts: 107 Location: California

Lorenzo · Joined: Nov 09, 2008 Posts: 375 Location: Trieste - Italy

Cat-A-Tonic · Joined: Mar 24, 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Yokohama, Japan

Malekko apparently has a VC Analog Delay in development for Eurorack.
There is also the long OOP Blacet Time Machine in Frac.

Kent

I used to own the 4096 stage Doepfer A-188-1D.

I currently own:

I sold the A-188-1D and kept the A-188-2. One of them had to go in order to justify picking up the ASys RS290 rig. I really like the weird flange/chorus/noise stuff of the A-188-2. The A-188-1D was too adventurous for me and, although I fully understand the design choice of leaving out the noise suppression circuitry, It just wasn't something (the module) that I used very often. In short, the clock noise didn't work for me.

The Moog is a classic and 'warm' delay. It gets rather muddy when set to the long delay mode. I use the RS290 when going for longer delays.
The Moog has a much greater delay range when you are wanting the classic BBD sounds. The drive control is very cool as is the CV control and adjustable Feedback Loop.

The Moog and Doepfer are so different from each other that having both would be warranted. Neither Doepfer product should be viewed as a standard delay.

stijn · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:50 am Post subject:

well not if you're on a budget, but imho best modular delay!

MODCAN SUPER DELAY:
The SUPER DELAY 30B is a true analogue Bucket Brigade
Delay designed by Michael Irwin. The 30B takes the basic delay features found in the legion of pedals and delay racks of the past and proceeds to advance the art to a new state for modular synthesis application. Delay times are min. 7.8ms and max. 8 seconds.
This unique design combines dual Matsushita MN3005 BBDs (8192 stages of delay) with two 6 pole butterworth tracking filters to provide extra long, clean delays.
There is an onboard compander for further noise reduction

Voltage control of wet/dry mix, regeneration and delay time provide maximum control.
An external feedback loop path allows for additional processing with Frequency shifters, Phasers, Filters etc for even more advanced sound mangling. An internal Filter override switch permits the optional exploration of the unusual effects of aliasing that most delays attempt to filter out.
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Kent · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject:

Hot damn, that thing is sexy!

More ModCan Lust! Razz

Henfield · Joined: Mar 25, 2009 Posts: 6 Location: Detroit, MI

I am on a budget, but I am interested in an Analog delay pedal/unit/module. I currently own Moogerfooger pedals, and I am getting into a 5U DIY/.com Modular synth.

I do not have the money to invest in the MF-104, and I have not made a plunge into a euro case/powersupply either.

I am currently looking at the MXR Carbon Copy, or a used EH Stereo Memory Man. Has anyone checked out both of these units? I can get either one for less than $180, so they fit into my price range, but I do not anywhere to go and test them side by side, has anyone already looked at both of these units?