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Stomper



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Just bought a NM1 Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

Just got myself a NM1, should be in my studio in the next week Very Happy
Theres a lot of information in this forum and on the net. i do have some expirience with synthmaker and i also get the wizzo book, so ill get into it quickly.

What i wanted to know, from my understading, the NM1 is connected to with 2 midi cabels. one to send the patch from the software to the hardware, and one to send notes and control changes.
if the audio interface recieving those from the NM, can it be used as a midi keyboard? or does the midi date limited only to the NM software?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This always confuses newbies, so worry not.

One set of MIDI I/O is for connection to and from your computer MIDI interface, the 2nd I/O is for connection from a MIDI controller, such as that of a keyboard or sequencer. The O part of the 2nd I/O serves very little- mostly clock out and knob CC's.

It was helpful that I put a little piece of gaffer tape next to the I/O and use a blue MIDI lead for out and a red one for in. When connecting to the interface, to really add confusion, these become reversed!! Shocked Laughing

Don't ever set up a NM, when stoned, before a gig, because it WILL go all wrong! Laughing

I hope that helps Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

v-un-v wrote:
Don't ever set up a NM, when stoned, before a gig, because it WILL go all wrong! Laughing

LOL
no live gig here, its only for studio work.

in short, what i wanted to know was if i can use the NM to play and automate virtual instruments within Cubase.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The NM1's MIDI output is very limited, so your answer is mostly NO. But, you should be able to use the keyboard (I'm assuming it is the key version then?), within the NM and also the knobs- which you will be able to assign the various knobs on plug ins- be be warned, this may be more that a pain in the arschen than you anticipated! Best to set the whole thing up then leave it. Of course you should also be able to store settings, and mirror them in your Cubase set-up, but now I'm going in to woolly head syndrome, because I only owned the rack Nord and now I only have two micromodulars left (great machines- even today).

I think it would be fair to say that the NM Keyboard was really intended for the NM only. I would invest in a newer more dedicated device, to get better results.

Hope that helps!

Tom

PS- I have personal experience with setting up a NM and being offered a fresh reefer (first of the day), 1 hour before the gig! Not at all recommended!!! Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Keys and knob data is all i need:)
i use the quick controls feature in Cubase to do automations, so setting up should be quick as long that Cubase will recognize the instrument.


I do have another question.
Im reading that you can get very close emulations of old analog synths.
it is my understanding that the NM has a limited choice of oscs, filters ect.
but its not that you get a bundeled modules and can creat a new osc or filter that will sound different.
so i know i can create a patch that will behave like an odissy or moog or whatever, but wouldnt it always sound like nord eventualy? (still same modules)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stomper wrote:

so i know i can create a patch that will behave like an odissy or moog or whatever, but wouldnt it always sound like nord eventualy? (still same modules)


I think the approach put forward in this text is one to recommend. You cannot hope to create a 100% faithful emulation of a given analogue synth (that eventually comes down to things like the exact quality of metal used in components that make up the filters), but that shoudn't put you off having fun and creating great sounds trying.

As Sam Streeper write on the page linked above,

"I think the most important thing really is just getting the routings right, if the signal flows through all the right things and you have all the right modulations available, you're going to be about as close as you can get and you ought to have a usable and fun synth in any case."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DanielW wrote:
Stomper wrote:

so i know i can create a patch that will behave like an odissy or moog or whatever, but wouldnt it always sound like nord eventualy? (still same modules)


I think the approach put forward in this text is one to recommend. You cannot hope to create a 100% faithful emulation of a given analogue synth (that eventually comes down to things like the exact quality of metal used in components that make up the filters), but that shoudn't put you off having fun and creating great sounds trying.

As Sam Streeper write on the page linked above,

"I think the most important thing really is just getting the routings right, if the signal flows through all the right things and you have all the right modulations available, you're going to be about as close as you can get and you ought to have a usable and fun synth in any case."


I agree that this method, copying the routing of the real synth, can be really useful and can help you learn a lot about how synths work. But for trying to emulate the specific sound and character of a specific real hardware synth I recommend a different approach.

I have spent some time on some projects like this, and here's what worked for me:

1. Record some simple signals from the real synth such as raw osc waveforms, slow filter sweeps, etc. into your computer or watch them on a scope so you can check out what the the waveform is doing.
2. Now do the same with the NM and compare the two signals.
3. Now start modifying the NM patch to make the NM signal more closely match the real synth. For example, you may need to add a little bit of exponential waveshaping to the sawtooth waves, or a bit of overdrive to the filter output, etc. Sometimes it's pretty simple, sometimes it's not so clear what you have to do and it's more challenging. Keep watching the waves and listening until you get them as close as possible.
4. Save these NM patches as "templates" or starting points for making more complex patches. That way, you can add more oscs, more filters, lots of LFOs, sequencers, chorus and other effects, whatever, but you're starting with a basic signal chain that captures the basic sonic fingerprint of the real synth.

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