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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: NM1 Keyboard
Subject description: need help setting it up
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Hi,

I got a Nord Modular G1 today (yey), but it seems ive connected or set it up wrong.
In the editor, only the knobs works. keys dont do anything (even not the editors virtual keyboard). BUT, if i open NM1 as an external instrument in Cubase, or a midi track and send the midi to the right output, than it does play.
Another issues, is in Cubase. i can use the keys to play VSTi's, but the knobs dont send control changes. if i move an active knob, i can see the midi track receives something, but if i try to record than it stops. also, quick controls do not recognize the knobs (knobs works only on NM1, but i want to also use as a midi controller).

Im using M-Audio Midisport 2x2 interface (Anniversary Edition if it matters) and the way i connected it is this:
NM1 PC Out -> Midisport A In
NM1 PC In -> Midisport A Out
NM1 Midi Out -> Midisport B In
NM1 Midi In -> Midisport B Out
Audio outputs 1+2 goes into my soundcard pre-amps.
I made sure a few times and i did not confused the connections.

NM1 and Editor are up to date. V3.03
and Midisport is also updated.

I really dont understand whats going on.
Editor/Hardware only receives date from the knobs when standalone and Cubase only Recognize Keys data.

would appreciate any tips/ideas.


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Stomper.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

some quick thoughts

1. is local control on, if not the keyboard transmits mid but it doesn't play the sounds, this is useful if you have the out going to a sequencer, with it coming back via the in, with midi echo on on the sequencer

2. the knobs only send controllers when they have been assigned in a patch, you have to assign a parameter to a knob and then assign a controller. If you want to just send controllers without editing your patch you can use a Constant module which is not connected to anything

hope that helps

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

modulator_esp wrote:
some quick thoughts

1. is local control on, if not the keyboard transmits mid but it doesn't play the sounds, this is useful if you have the out going to a sequencer, with it coming back via the in, with midi echo on on the sequencer

2. the knobs only send controllers when they have been assigned in a patch, you have to assign a parameter to a knob and then assign a controller. If you want to just send controllers without editing your patch you can use a Constant module which is not connected to anything

hope that helps


Hi Jez,
thnx for the reply.

I only got it today so i dont know what local control is yet. but if i understand you correctly, it should be on when using only the editor or live and off when using the nm1 with a DAW right?
I will look it up in the manual.

Yes, the knobs are assigned. but they only changes the sound of the NM1.
If i try to use them on a VSTi than they do nothing.



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Besides assigning the (Editor) knobs to a physical knob, you have to assign them to a Midi CC too!
In the Editor right click a knob > choose Midi Controller > pick the one you need.
The data is send by (normal) Midi Out.

Wout

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

An example Patch.

Read the Notes Floater.

Wout


Extern_Kon_Controller.pch
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
Besides assigning the (Editor) knobs to a physical knob, you have to assign them to a Midi CC too!

Rolling Eyes
This make so much sense i feel stupid i didnt thought about it.

So ill need to use one slot for a patch with no sound that will just send cc massages. i hate the fact that i 'loose' a slot for this. but at least ill know to make my own patches in a way that they will send those massages. so after a while the patch could make a sound and be used as a midi controller.

im not at the studio atm, but i will check these when i get there later today.

thnx for all the help.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stomper wrote:
... So ill need to use one slot for a patch with no sound that will just send cc massages. i hate the fact that i 'loose' a slot for this. but at least ill know to make my own patches in a way that they will send those massages. so after a while the patch could make a sound and be used as a midi controller. ...
Indeed, you don't have to use a complete Slot for just controlling extern gear: I just wanted to keep it simple Smile

Because the Constant module doesn't count in DSP memory you can also impement it into an existing Patch, only you can only assign 18 knobs in the complete synthesizer
I assume you want to use the NM as a multi timbral instrument you have to decide which knobs will control extern gear (Constant modules) and which have to control the Patch itself. If all is in use of 18 CC out only that Slot can be active.
Than there is the 'PanelSplit' function which devides the Panel in four sections:

Slot A - knob 1 to 6
Slot B - knob 7 to 12
Slot C - knob 13 to 15 and
Slot D - knob 16 to 18

Doing this you have to realize the Midi channel settings to
Advice: use paper and pencil to calculate all these routings...

Note you can use the sequencer still to control parameters using CC numbers not in use of the Constant modules. Again watch the Midi channels.

Wout
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, i have a few synth and the midi is daisy chained, so i know about keeping an eye on the midi channel. it can be very frustrating when you forget Smile

Its good to know that the 18 knobs need to be devided to each slot. i was under the impression that all knobs can be used on each slot only by changing the midi channel.

well, i finish working in an hour and than its time to test and play Smile



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stomper wrote:
... Its good to know that the 18 knobs need to be devided to each slot. i was under the impression that all knobs can be used on each slot only by changing the midi channel. ...
For good understanding, you can use all 18 knobs in each Slot, only the synth has to know what you mean to happen. A blinking LED at the Slot buttons means this Slot is able to use the knobs, so tweaking a parameter in Slot A doesn't effect the parameter contolled by the same physical knob in the other Slots.
Do you want to control several parameters in different Slots e.g. you want to turn up the Cut-Off in Slot A and trim down the total volume of Slot D, you have to use PanelSplit (6-6-3-3) and assign the right knobs to the right parameters, which means that volume has to be knob 1 to 3 in the Patch, but will appear in PanelSplit as respectively knob 16 to 18 (Slot D).
Loading this Patch into Slot A they will be knob 1 to 3; into Slot B knob 7 to 9 and in Slot C knob 13 to 15.

If you are struck by total confusion, than that proves you are completely normal Smile You have to do it on the synth to see and hear what happens.

PanelSplit is the reason why NordMicro users are suprised to find out the first knob in a Patch is assigned to the volume parameter of the Output module, which results on a Micro as two volume knobs next to each other.

Do you think it's complicated?
Well, try to play the synths without a computer, so you can't use the Editor.
It's possible. The NordModular Classic is designed to do that Smile

Wout
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LOL
I understand what you said in theory, what i CAN do.
but yes its too much to understand HOW to do it.

only got a very few hours with it, so thats ok. i got the manual, which seems to be very comprehensive and detailed and i also got the Wizoo book, so i hope those are enough to get all i need to know.

it was only these two things that were important for me to see that works properly.
Jez was right about the local on/off settings. that did the trick.
and you were right about assigning a midi cc to the knob. hope you dont mind if i keep using your patch for midi controller Wink


thnx again for the help and have a happy new year.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stomper wrote:
... i got the manual, which seems to be very comprehensive and detailed ...
Read it as if it is a holy book, like the Bible or perhaps in your situation the Thorah. Think every time: "What does it mean to me in my music..."
Quote:
hope you dont mind if i keep using your patch for midi controller Wink
That's why I send it to you: use it and change it into something better to use by you Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wout Blommers wrote:
Stomper wrote:
... i got the manual, which seems to be very comprehensive and detailed ...
Read it as if it is a holy book, like the Bible or perhaps in your situation the Thorah.

Na....I think i will read this one Smile

Its not the first modular software i use (Synthmaker), but i got it to use as my main synth and controller. so its important to me to really understand the options the hardware is giving me and to know the differences between the similar modules.
i already made a simple patch, ill see how it turns out and upload it when im done.


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