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simple noise generator with VCA
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elektrouwe



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:51 pm    Post subject: simple noise generator with VCA Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

just breadboarded this as part for a Lunetta style drum synth. But it contains nothing digital, so I didn't post it in the Lunetta forum Smile


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello ElektroUwe,
i guess u have a negative cv response with the npn transistor.
more cv results in less resistance in the transistor --> less voltage drop over the transistor.
cheers bb
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

g.gabba wrote:
i guess u have a negative cv response with the npn transistor.
gabbagabi

you mean CV up = less noise ?
no, CV controls gain here, not attenuation
g.gabba wrote:
more cv results in less resistance in the transistor --> less voltage drop over the transistor.
gabbagabi

yes, but the transistor is in the feedback path not in the signal pass !

here is a simplified explanation of the circuit:

CV = 0 :
there is no noise current flowing through both Cs to GND.
noise appearing at the output (anode) of TL431 is directly fed back (without
attenuation to the input (reference) => noise gain =1, output noise is some
microvolts. This noise is amplified by the transistor with a gain of 4k7/3k3 => noise at the collector is still some microvolts.

CV = some volts : transistor is conducting and noise current flowing through both C's. TL431 anode noise is not feed back to the reference input, because it is shunted by C => noise gain is very high, TL431 output noise can reach some ten mV. gain of the transistor stage is also very high (beta of transistor) because the 3k3 is shorted by the other C.
Noise at collector was 4V peak peak on my breadbord with full CV !
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

then there is nothing left to say then:congratulations!
this seems then a very pretty circuit,
by definition on the "to remember" list.

do u think bc560 bc547 will do the job also?

thx 4 sharing and
cheers
bb
gabbagabi
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for the flowers gabbagabi
noise is like "Unkraut", so I guess the circuit is very tolerant in terms of component types and values Smile that's why I took the next best 3 R values which are for sure not optimized . 100uF for the Cs is quite big, but I wanted some low frequency rumble. Any NPN with B>250 should be ok for a decent noise amplitude.
cheers, u~
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zaphod betamax



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice circuit. I slightly modified it for 5V supply by lowering the resistances
on the collectors.

I also added a AC coupled CD4069 amplifier.

Well done, and great work!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is the circuit


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