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Prophet 5 Emulation
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Prophet 5 Emulation
Subject description: My first patch! Close Emulation using Pro-53 sound Presets.
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Here is my first Machine attempt at Prophet 5 emulation. I don't own a real one, so I used a Pro-53 as comparison.
Please let me know if I am close.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oops, didn't see this before :-)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Don't know either if its like a prophet 5, but variation 5 is a nice one :-)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Here is the layout for operation. Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Top left side is suppose to be the prophet's PolyMod side. You vari the F Env, and PWB knob levels first, then switch on the top left three switches in mustard yellow. You should instantly hear the changes.
The bottom left is for the Mod Wheel Modulations. On the LFO Mix turn up LFO1 Knob level in case you don't have a MW in front of you to here the changes. LFO2 is there just to simulate the prophet's double shape at once feature. For example mixing a triangle with a square wave. The analog drift at the bottom is suppose to slightly detune Osc1 but I think I need more practice with this feature.
I can't get it to react as simple as the PRO-53, or Alesis ION's Dift. I would really be delighted if this was in the Next OS Nord update. My wishlist: Analog Drift Module (dedicated), Simultaneous LFO (tri & square & saw at once) module, and more module colors.
If any one can school me on a simple design for analog drifting please teach.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: I am working on a bad ass super Prophet like design. Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I really like the way my first attempt turned out! I like the way Dave Smith designed the pre-routed Mods. I like the whole turn on the switch for this and that. I am currently designing the same synth but with a bigger pre-routed Mod mini Matrix. It should be really easy to work, because all you have to do is switch on/off from the colunm of choices. Should be done like in two days. I work on it at work during breaks using the Demo Nord software on a laptop. The sound kicks ass. So far I got it to do wild FM & sync-like growls. I am starting to like this. My Alesis Ion will go on break for a while.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice job on both the structure and variation programming. Smile

Drift is a big topic, I've gotten about 10% through the infamous analog-heaven 'debate' 2003/4 on the topic.
Slow drift exists in analog gear for sure but I'm not convinced it is a major player in synth tone. An old Moog sounds the same even if it is in a temperature controlled studio.
A zero DSP way of breaking up the accuracy, is semi random Keyb morphs on the oscillator fine tune controls. Or along the same lines, a keyboard cv through a wave wrapper gives a nice wonky tracking.
Very small, per cycle, random (or not so random) fm also works well.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You are right it is not a major player, but I have noticed that when machines have dedicated 'analog' knobs or at least an emulation and they are turned up a little there is a different flanging going on with two osc mixed together. The Alesis Ion can simulate this nicely. All I have to do is give it about 10% dirft and it makes the detuned flange. I guess this would be more for Pads. You would have to hold down the note for some time to hear the change.

How do you ring Mod on the Nord anyway? There isn't a dedicated module is there?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

blue_lantern wrote:

How do you ring Mod on the Nord anyway? There isn't a dedicated module is there?


It has two, but they are not obvious, the LevMod is a ringmod when the AM knob is full right. Also, the levMult looks like a vca but it works with bipolar signals on both inputs so it technically is a four quadrant multiplier AKA ring modulator. If you like low fi, you can also use a logic gate in XOR mode like on the Korg MS20, its not a ring mod but gives similar(?) effect.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Prophet 5 Emulation
Subject description: My first patch! Close Emulation using Pro-53 sound Presets.
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blue_lantern wrote:
Here is my first Machine attempt at Prophet 5 emulation. I don't own a real one, so I used a Pro-53 as comparison.
Please let me know if I am close.


Very cool !
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Re: Prophet 5 Emulation
Subject description: My first patch! Close Emulation using Pro-53 sound Presets.
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blue_lantern wrote:
I used a Pro-53 as comparison.
Please let me know if I am close


YES!!! At least to the Pro-53 you are too close!!! Super Sync
is my favourite Pro-53 Patch and it was a joy to hear it from my Nord!

Thanks
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