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moom
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject:
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Hi there,
I frequent this site and rarely post - I must apologise but I dont think I could help most people
Anyway, I really want to get into making my own patches that arent based around subtractive synthesis. I amreally interested in the logic and sequencing modules but am a little mythed by the whole thing. I think i get the concepts generally but am having trouble making anything thatis of any worth!
Are there any online tutorials I could work with to bring up to speed?
And while I am here - can anyone help me to make a patch that uses an incoming audio signal that is pitch detected and then triggers oscillators at that pitch! I would love to stick a mic out of my window and see what tones were being made by random noises. I think
Any help on anything would be better than nothing  |
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dasz

Joined: Oct 16, 2004 Posts: 1644 Location: victoria, canada
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject:
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I remember the spot you are in.
Don't worry. Here's what I did - I kept adding, and if something did not work. I took it out instead of making it complicated.
Take the synth I created in the tutorial in the manual, then added some delay and chorus. Then I add an envelope for the filter (mod input) and an lfo to the synth (mod input). Then I add an LFO which I also wanted to affect the filter. so i added a 2 input mixer. took the output of of the envelope and moved it into the 1st channel of the mixer, then connected the lfo to the 2nd input. i renamed both mixer channels so I can remember what affects what. now I connect the output of this mixer to the input of the modulation of the filter (the one with the knob - for overall effect). Now I will do the same to the pan and osc pitch modulation too -- then I will play my new synth!
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DrJustice

Joined: Sep 13, 2004 Posts: 2112 Location: Morokulien
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 6:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Tutorials? Subject description: Is there somewhere that I can geta tutorial on this beast!! |
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moom wrote: | Are there any online tutorials I could work with to bring up to speed? |
Advanced Programming Techniques for Moduler Synthesizers looks rather good.
DJ
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moom
Joined: Jun 16, 2006 Posts: 15 Location: London
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Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject:
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Thats great peeps! Thankyou.
The whole Subtractive thing is easy enough for me, but thankyou for the mixer advice Dasz. That should help me to cross modulate those parameters - excellent stuff.
And as for the online tutrials, DJ, they are perfect (although still a massive read)
This forum is undoubtedly priceless to Nord Modular users and makes the beast accessible to anyone who really wants to put the work in. The patches are always a great starting point too and I have survived this long by using the fantastic 'mutator' to create some unique and bizaare sounds. I am sure everyone feels this way about that addition to the OS
If you get the chance, check out my website:
www.meeme.co.uk
I write primarily dark ambient/electronic stuff but am working on video and animation too. The site is still under some construction but the sounds are all active. Let me know what you think.
Til then, Thanks again.  |
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ian-s

Joined: Apr 01, 2004 Posts: 2672 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:53 am Post subject:
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moom wrote: | The site is still under some construction but the sounds are all active. Let me know what you think.
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Classy design. Great music. |
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Rob

Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:15 am Post subject:
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Still a work in progress:
This stuff is part of the teaching materials I wrote for my courses at http://english.hku.nl/hku/show. |
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moom
Joined: Jun 16, 2006 Posts: 15 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:55 am Post subject:
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Nice one g2ian.
Thanks Rob - will be very useful indeed. |
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cebec

Joined: Apr 19, 2004 Posts: 1098 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:27 am Post subject:
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THANKS ROB! |
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astroid power-up!
Joined: Mar 23, 2004 Posts: 334
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:
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OMF tears of joy _________________ Astroid Power-Up!: "googleplex" available at:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/googleplex |
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sebber

Joined: Aug 27, 2004 Posts: 502 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:44 am Post subject:
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If it's basic information you need check out the G2-Toolbox. There's a link in my signature. _________________ Fish don't swim. They dive. |
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astroid power-up!
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Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject:
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o man i wish there were a way to grab that all at once. i'll pay you! _________________ Astroid Power-Up!: "googleplex" available at:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/googleplex |
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sebber

Joined: Aug 27, 2004 Posts: 502 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:
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First I thought this is a link to your "Introduction to the Clavia Nord Modular G2 synthesizer", but this is even better, Rob, thank you! _________________ Fish don't swim. They dive. |
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intoxicat
Joined: Jul 05, 2006 Posts: 32 Location: uk
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:21 am Post subject:
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http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/Proto/Index.htm
this is a brilliant document and a good read.. thanks for sharing!
but is it just me or is the word 'as' used in places where the word 'than' should be used instead? e.g.:
"The reason why this results in lowpass filtering is because the cycle of a high frequency is much shorter as the cycle of a very low frequency" |
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Rob

Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:57 am Post subject:
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intoxicat wrote: | http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/Proto/Index.htm
this is a brilliant document and a good read.. thanks for sharing!
but is it just me or is the word 'as' used in places where the word 'than' should be used instead? e.g.:
"The reason why this results in lowpass filtering is because the cycle of a high frequency is much shorter as the cycle of a very low frequency" |
Thanks for the compliments!
And yes, the language used to write the text is not English but Dunglish.
But its an unfinished work in progress needing lots of edits. |
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Stanley Pain

Joined: Sep 02, 2004 Posts: 782 Location: Reading, UK
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:33 am Post subject:
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i reckon these links should be pinned at the top of FAQ...
absolutely awesome links, thanks so much for sharing Rob and everyone else. if i could contribute something like this i would... |
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sebber

Joined: Aug 27, 2004 Posts: 502 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:42 am Post subject:
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OT:
I would've made the same mistake. I think "as" and "than" translate into the same word in German (als). Is there a rule when I should use "as" and when "than"? _________________ Fish don't swim. They dive. |
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Fozzie

Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 875 Location: Near Wageningen, the Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:09 am Post subject:
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sebber wrote: | OT:
I would've made the same mistake. I think "as" and "than" translate into the same word in German (als). Is there a rule when I should use "as" and when "than"? |
I'm only Dutch, so what do I know, but isn't it right that "as" is used when the things it is pointing at are similar / equal / no contradiction to be indicated. "Than" is used to point out a difference / contradiction?
"He is bigger than I am"
"He is as big as I am"
"He is not as big as I am" (tricky but still defendable under my hypothesis)
There might be more to it, though. |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24422 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:27 am Post subject:
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Stanley Pain wrote: | i reckon these links should be pinned at the top of FAQ... |
Seems a good idea, I'll make a sticky post later when I get home. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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BobTheDog

Joined: Feb 28, 2005 Posts: 4044 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:09 am Post subject:
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Fozzie wrote: | sebber wrote: | OT:
I would've made the same mistake. I think "as" and "than" translate into the same word in German (als). Is there a rule when I should use "as" and when "than"? |
I'm only Dutch, so what do I know, but isn't it right that "as" is used when the things it is pointing at are similar / equal / no contradiction to be indicated. "Than" is used to point out a difference / contradiction?
"He is bigger than I am"
"He is as big as I am"
"He is not as big as I am" (tricky but still defendable under my hypothesis)
There might be more to it, though. |
I think to are correct in your definition of the two words.
Hearing these three statements, they would have the following meaning to me.
"X is bigger than Y" means X > Y
"X is as big as Y" means X = Y
"X He is not as big as Y" means X < Y
Where logically with the definitions of the word the final statement should be :
"X He is not as big as Y" means X <> Y
But you would never think that when you heard the statement!
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Fozzie

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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:12 am Post subject:
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BobTheDog wrote: | I think to are correct in your definition of the two words.
Hearing these three statements, they would have the following meaning to me.
"X is bigger than Y" means X > Y
"X is as big as Y" means X = Y
"X He is not as big as Y" means X < Y
Where logically with the definitions of the word the final statement should be :
"X He is not as big as Y" means X <> Y
But you would never think that when you heard the statement!
Cheers
Andy | With the "not as .... as" there is clearly some contradiction / difference indicated, but my defence would be that the word(s) "as" still indicate the correspondance/equalness/lack of contradiction, but the word "not" is added to indicate the opposite. So I meant to indicate your last 'logically sound' statement, actually  |
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BobTheDog

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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:50 am Post subject:
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Fozzie wrote: | BobTheDog wrote: | I think to are correct in your definition of the two words.
Hearing these three statements, they would have the following meaning to me.
"X is bigger than Y" means X > Y
"X is as big as Y" means X = Y
"X He is not as big as Y" means X < Y
Where logically with the definitions of the word the final statement should be :
"X He is not as big as Y" means X <> Y
But you would never think that when you heard the statement!
Cheers
Andy | With the "not as .... as" there is clearly some contradiction / difference indicated, but my defence would be that the word(s) "as" still indicate the correspondance/equalness/lack of contradiction, but the word "not" is added to indicate the opposite. So I meant to indicate your last 'logically sound' statement, actually  |
Yes I agree with you, but if someone said "X is not as big as Y" it would always be taken to meaning "X is smaller than Y" even though the definition of the words would make me think logically that this is incorrect.
I have never understood the English language, confuses the hell out of me
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Kassen
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:52 am Post subject:
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sebber wrote: | OT:
I would've made the same mistake. I think "as" and "than" translate into the same word in German (als). Is there a rule when I should use "as" and when "than"? |
Dutch has seperate words for those but many people don't bother to use those.
In Dutch the words for "if" (conditional or causal) and "as" (similar or alike) are the same.
As the quality of education is rapidly going down it's no not that surprising that people are becoming unable to distinguish between such concepts.
edit; another interesting phenomenon is that increasingly Dutch people are using words to indicate posesion and identity as interchangable. I have been wondering wether that might be linked to the rise of "lifestyles" where people start to think owning a pair of Nikes, a I-pod or a BMX defines them as a person... _________________ Kassen Last edited by Kassen on Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:07 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Kassen
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:02 am Post subject:
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Fozzie wrote: | With the "not as .... as" there is clearly some contradiction / difference indicated, but my defence would be that the word(s) "as" still indicate the correspondance/equalness/lack of contradiction, but the word "not" is added to indicate the opposite. So I meant to indicate your last 'logically sound' statement, actually  |
That's another tricky bit. The use of negation in english is changing.
European languages tend to have double negations cancle eachother;
"It's not not raining" means it's raining in those languages.
African cultures tend not to do that (not sure what they use to deal with negation instead). The US has a lot of people from African ancestry and I think this is the cause that in US English "I never did nothing" means (or is starting to mean?) nothing was done while in UK English it would refer to being continually bussy. _________________ Kassen |
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Antimon
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English is the messiest language in the world. Give me finnish or at least slavian languages any day (not that I know any of them, but I wish I did).
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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astroid power-up!
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject:
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i keep checking this post thinking that rob will magically say he's zipped up his tutorial but all i get is this primer on the relationship between symbolic logic, dutch, and english! _________________ Astroid Power-Up!: "googleplex" available at:
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