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egw
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 1:18 pm Post subject:

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Don't be attached to the outcome. When you are attached to the outcome, then you are being a victim, you have no power over your life. When you are not attached, then you are free, powerful, creative, brave, enthusiastic, open, caring, supportive and more than minimally unhappy.

This is excellent advice. When creating, it is vital to enjoy the process. Then it will be a positive experience no matter what the end result. And more often than not, the end result will reflect the positive attitude that went into creation.

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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject:

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Another problem is deciding how much time to spend on tyring to get some semblance of expressive phrasing out of myself and my rig. I am not happy and can not seem to get happy with it. I may have to accept "minimal unhappiness" as a goal.

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After listening to Carlo's tour de force in phrasing "Lullaby", I was beginning to wonder.

I am usually hypercritical about myself but I achieved "minimal unhappiness" with "Lullaby" Very Happy

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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject:

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seraph wrote:

Oh Captain! My Captain! love

Not if your a bibliophile like me Shocked

Are you talking about W.Whitman Question

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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:18 pm Post subject:

seraph wrote:

bachus wrote:

seraph wrote:

Oh Captain! My Captain! love

Not if your a bibliophile like me Shocked

Are you talking about W.Whitman Question

Senility must have gotme while I was napping--I can't make sense out of that. Oh crap! Where did I put my Plavix!

Unless you mean to "long and long." But, still not not like Whitman.
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 3:22 pm Post subject:

seraph wrote:

bachus wrote:

...After listening to Carlo's tour de force in phrasing "Lullaby", I was beginning to wonder.

I am usually hypercritical about myself but I achieved "minimal unhappiness" with "Lullaby" Very Happy

Well deserved well done

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 7:59 am Post subject:

About not being attached to the outcome. Bachus said:

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I'm not sure I would be entirely comfortable going to a surgeon who has that attitude.

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( I mean, if all the liberals in the US sit around unattached to the outcome of the next election, we’ll get Bush whacked again!)

Maybe I'm not clear about "not being attached to the outcome". I'm not saying don't be committed to the outcome. The the contrary, I think committment makes you more alive. But I submit you can't be totally committed if you are attached.

Take that surgeon. I'd want him or her totally committed to a positive outcome, but not attached to it. We all know that every medical operation won't turn out well 100% of the time - that's a quite unrealistic expectation. If the surgeon was attached to the outcome, he might think, "what would happen if this patient dies." The surgeon would have thoughts of failure, disaster, pain, grief, despair, and worse. God forbid a patient should die, he might never practice medicine again or worse - at least he'd be severely negatively impacted.

When we are attached to the outcome in an election, and it goes against us, then that causes unhappiness in us, or discouragement,
lack of enthusiasm, indifference, fatalism, defeatism, future inaction, etc.

Winning athletes are committed to winning, but when they loose, they face the defeat with the same commitment, determination, optimism, enthusiasm and vigor that they must have in order to win. They don't let defeat set them back any more than they have to. Some do, but those people don't stay in the game for long. How could they? If they hate loosing, and there is a almost 100% probability that they will loose sometime, then they get off of the court or field and go sit in the stands to watch someone else play. Winners hate not playing more than loosing.

In art we don't talk much about winning and loosing, but the analogy isn't all that bad. Attachment to the outcome can become artist's block. In my opinion, to an artist, that's the worst thing - much worse producing something they don't like. Artist block is worse than loosing for an athelete, it's equivalent to a severe injury. Brahms, and many other composers, thought his music sucked. But apparently he wasn't attached to the outcome that his music would be great or he'd have stopped after his first few shitty compositions. He was certainly committed to writing good music, however.

That's the difference between being committed and being attached to the outcome.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:38 am Post subject:

mosc wrote:

Winning athletes are committed to winning, but when they loose, they face the defeat with the same commitment, determination, optimism, enthusiasm and vigor that they must have in order to win. They don't let defeat set them back any more than they have to. Some do, but those people don't stay in the game for long.

That's the difference between being committed and being attached to the outcome.

excellent !!!...

just what i needed to read

thanks
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:56 am Post subject:

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Winning athletes are committed to winning, but when they loose, they face the defeat with the same commitment, determination, optimism, enthusiasm and vigor that they must have in order to win. They don't let defeat set them back any more than they have to. Some do, but those people don't stay in the game for long. How could they? If they hate loosing, and there is a almost 100% probability that they will loose sometime, then they get off of the court or field and go sit in the stands to watch someone else play. Winners hate not playing more than loosing. .

Exactly! In sports you have to dare to risk failure to win, you basically have to be prepared to be crap in order to bring about what you want. This is probably why I never fulfilled my promise as an athlete, and also why I'm not getting any proper creative activity done. Meanwhile, I feel blessed that I'm allowed to have fun in front of an audience, and I earn decent money doing it.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:59 am Post subject:

fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ? _________________ Spiral Recordings

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:00 am Post subject:

mosc wrote:

........That's the difference between being committed and being attached to the outcome.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:28 am Post subject:

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fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ?

Play the acoustic guitar and sing at people. It drives them to drink, apparently. I get to be rude and sing songs I like and other people get to pay me. A good arrangement, I think. Cool

Then I try to create songs or soundscapes. Funnily enough, the only time I've been consistently able to create music was when I played keyboards and synth bass withe a troupe called "Live Poet Society." Three musicians and three actors who got together and assembled a presentation of some Norwegian poems - plus a coupla Bukowski translations - put to music by yours truly and a fusion/session guitarist and the drummer from the biggest Norwegian rock band of the time (The DumDum Boys).
When I play the guitar I tend to sound like a mix between Beefheart, Marley, Cooder and Metheny, but being the default keyboardist, using my Ensoniq Mirage and Roland D110, I ended up juxtaposing Professor Longhair and whole-step scales (if that's the correct English name for it, I haven't read music theory for nigh on twenty years), mixing Arabic and Norwegian folk musics and other perversions. Quite good fun when you don't know how!
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:40 am Post subject:

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fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ?

Oh, and what I do in front of an audience sounds a bit more conventional than what I heard on the "sudden" website. Great stuff! Wink

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:43 am Post subject:

Oskar wrote:

Play the acoustic guitar and sing at people. It drives them to drink, apparently. I get to be rude and sing songs I like and other people get to pay me. A good arrangement, I think.

sounds perfect
Cool

i am enjoying your posts...i didn;t realise norwegians had such an excellent sense of humour..

i mean i know stein does, but all norwegians ??

maybe it has something to do with government grants ;}
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:46 am Post subject:

Oskar wrote:

paul wrote:

fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ?

Oh, and what I do in front of an audience sounds a bit more conventional than what I heard on the "sudden" website. Great stuff! Wink

thanks!..or , is this more of that well-refined Norwegian humour ? hehehe
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:50 am Post subject:

paul wrote:

Oskar wrote:

paul wrote:

fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ?

Oh, and what I do in front of an audience sounds a bit more conventional than what I heard on the "sudden" website. Great stuff! Wink

thanks!..or , is this more of that well-refined Norwegian humour ? hehehe

No, this was me being genuine, although I've been known to be sardonic, verging on sarcastic. Well-refined Norwegian humour? German spontaneity? Greek thouroughness? French humility? American politics?
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:52 am Post subject:

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That's the difference between being committed and being attached to the outcome.

OK thanks, I get it now. Without the clarification it just sounded uncomfortably close to nihilism.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:52 am Post subject:

Canadian ..um um Canadian umm the CBC _________________ Spiral Recordings

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:01 am Post subject:

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Canadian ..um um

Canadian umm the CBC

Yeah, and Canadian dollars. Known to friends as "loons," I believe?
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 11:03 am Post subject:

Oskar wrote:

paul wrote:

Canadian ..um um

Canadian umm the CBC

Yeah, and Canadian dollars. Known to friends as "loons," I believe?

hehe yup..loonies [1$] and 'toonies' [$2]

coins..yes we are odd
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject:

Anyway, Paul, my point IS, we Norwegians don't do well-refined. We invented going berserk. berserk describes the state of near-invincibility you get from eating mushrooms, NOT magic ones, but toadstools. Apparently, if you judge the dose correctly you don't die, you just go bananas. Kids, do NOT try this at home or any other planet under the sun. _________________ Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice. Lin Yutang (1895-1976)

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject:

My meager 10 days in Norway left me with the impression that Norwegians would rather berate themselves than boast. When talking about Norway, they tend to understate things. A Norwegian might say, "that's a nice drive, but it takes a long time." It turns out to be what must be one of the most beautiful trips I've every taken. Maybe they are trying to keep it a secret to protect themselves from the hoards of boobs from the south who might invade or make Norway a turist destination. To my friends from Norway: you don't have to keep it a secret to keep us away, you just have to keep it expensive.

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:

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My meager 10 days in Norway left me with the impression that Norwegians would rather berate themselves than boast. When talking about Norway, they tend to understate things. A Norwegian might say, "that's a nice drive, but it takes a long time." It turns out to be what must be one of the most beautiful trips I've every taken. Maybe they are trying to keep it a secret to protect themselves from the hoards of boobs from the south who might invade or make Norway a turist destination.

To my friends from Norway: you don't have to keep it a secret to keep us away, you just have to keep it expensive. Laughing

Cheers!
Well, I don't think we mean to undersell ourselves and our country, but much as we love it, it's VERY little. There's about 4,5 million people here, so we get a sense of proportion. We do contribute to the international community, we've got beautiful nature and all that, but being little we know our place. It's nice to be little and on the fringe though. We only have to be willing to whatever Master Bush says. Embarassed

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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:38 pm Post subject:

paul wrote:

Oskar wrote:

paul wrote:

fun in front of an audience eh ? mhh sound intriguing...what do you do ?

Oh, and what I do in front of an audience sounds a bit more conventional than what I heard on the "sudden" website. Great stuff! Wink

thanks!..or , is this more of that well-refined Norwegian humour ? hehehe

Well.. Oskar has the traditional viking approach to his concert reportoire.. rape and pillage
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 3:27 pm Post subject:

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Well.. Oskar has the traditional viking approach to his concert reportoire.. rape and pillage

True, true; I tend to intersperse my standard pub fare with song tiles like "Dead Skunk," "Fat Man in the Bathtub," "Gangbang," "My head hurts, my feet stink and I don't love Jesus." Strangely, this goes down really well with the audience. Oh, and I do "Another brick in the Wall pt2," replete with drummed guitar solo, and possibly the world's only acoustic karaoke/blues/punk version of Abba's "Waterloo." Demarcation? Pah! Cool

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