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pellejones
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:19 am Post subject:
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I'll look into the Motif. Thanks for the info
The only problem is that if I like it, I can't afford it. I'll have to wait to december, atleast.
And I'm Sorry seraph! I didn't mean to hijack your thread. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:01 am Post subject:
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More hijacking coming up..
If you have a sampler you could use that one.. in order to add soome stringish thickening? A nice tool is also the good old mellotron .. you can use the excellent G-Media M-Tron. If you double some voices with that one.. and possible also add some filtering and whatnot .. some reverb too.. you can seriously thicken the strings. However, the mellotron/novatron is a weird animal and it can be hard to see what this is about if you have never used the original hardware box. A mellotron is not an a sampler and it behaves a bit odd, It can be very useful. Keep in mind that a mellotron with some string instrument tapes really does not emulate anything but a mellotron with some string instrument tapes. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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bachus
Joined: Feb 29, 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: Up in that tree over there.
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:56 am Post subject:
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pellejones wrote: | I'll look into the Motif. Thanks for the info
The only problem is that if I like it, I can't afford it. I'll have to wait to december, atleast. |
Well there's beg, borrow, or rent--particularly if it's a paying gig. In any case I wouldn't shell out money until I'd spent a few hours on it seeing if I does suit your needs.
These nice people have oft forgiven me for stealing threads so I think your in the clear on that. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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bachus
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:08 am Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | If you have a sampler you could use that one.. in order to add soome stringish thickening?. |
To my ear the middle register strings need more than thickening though that would help a bit. They have a horny quality and need softening. The low strings seem thin yet I do not find them out of place, But ...
pellejones wrote: | and I'm having trouble making stuff sound good. I mainly use strings and pianos. But still. |
This does not say what pellejones feels does not "sound good". So pelle, can you put into words what leaves you dissatisfied about demo4? _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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seraph
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:10 am Post subject:
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pellejones wrote: | And I'm Sorry seraph! I didn't mean to hijack your thread. |
oh well.....for an OT Master like myself it's an honor _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
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pellejones
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:41 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | oh well.....for an OT Master like myself it's an honor |
Well then I'll just go on.
bachus wrote: | This does not say what pellejones feels does not "sound good". So pelle, can you put into words what leaves you dissatisfied about demo4? |
OK. I think that it is the strings i dislike in Demo 4. They sound, well, very very synthetic and that is not what I am going for. I really don't know what to do to them to make them sound richer and so on. I'm looking into other things than Reason at the moment. The Orchestral soundbank that came with it was nice, but not super.
Also, the producer/director of the movie said that he thought it was too much noise in the song. To be honest, I don't understand what he means. I don't find it to be any noise in the song. Sure there is bound to be some slight noise when you use sampled stuff, but nothing that you would react too. Am I wrong? |
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seraph
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject:
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pellejones wrote: | the producer/director of the movie said that he thought it was too much noise in the song. | those guys are famous for saying things that don't make sense, but this should be a brand new thread......anyway, once a guy asked me to do a "guitar roll" what would you do in that case _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
Quote: | Don't die with your music still in you - Wayne Dyer |
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pellejones
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:49 pm Post subject:
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elektro80 wrote: | More hijacking coming up..
If you have a sampler you could use that one.. in order to add soome stringish thickening? A nice tool is also the good old mellotron .. you can use the excellent G-Media M-Tron. If you double some voices with that one.. and possible also add some filtering and whatnot .. some reverb too.. you can seriously thicken the strings. However, the mellotron/novatron is a weird animal and it can be hard to see what this is about if you have never used the original hardware box. A mellotron is not an a sampler and it behaves a bit odd, It can be very useful. Keep in mind that a mellotron with some string instrument tapes really does not emulate anything but a mellotron with some string instrument tapes. | The Only sampler I have, are the ones in Reason, I've upgraded my 2.0 copy to 2.5 now so it's nice! |
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pellejones
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | pellejones wrote: | the producer/director of the movie said that he thought it was too much noise in the song. | those guys are famous for saying things that don't make sense, but this should be a brand new thread......anyway, once a guy asked me to do a "guitar roll" what would you do in that case | Aahahaha! A Guitar roll! I would probably just.... well.... I have noooo idea |
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elektro80
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:57 pm Post subject:
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Noise? Nope.. no noise.. but you never know about dudes like that. He might have mistaken some of the actual music for noise.
Guitar roll? Not a spring roll? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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bachus
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:02 pm Post subject:
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pellejones wrote: | Also, the producer/director of the movie said that he thought it was too much noise in the song. To be honest, I don't understand what he means. I don't find it to be any noise in the song. Sure there is bound to be some slight noise when you use sampled stuff, but nothing that you would react too. Am I wrong? |
I too hear no noise at all. Assuming he got the same or better audio data file I think he must be refereing to the breathing sound that starts at the very beginning. I think you use that very effectively, very musically, but to his ear it may not have the feel he's looking for. _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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Oskar
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 6:52 am Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | pellejones wrote: | the producer/director of the movie said that he thought it was too much noise in the song. | those guys are famous for saying things that don't make sense, but this should be a brand new thread......anyway, once a guy asked me to do a "guitar roll" what would you do in that case |
I would excuse him if he meant that you should perpetrate a "rasgueado," which is basically a "drum roll" on the guitar strings, you know those dramatic flourishes you get in flamenco music. Otherwise, as a guitarist I'd have to say "What a tosser!" _________________ Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice.
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mosc
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:55 am Post subject:
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I hear a windlike sound in Demo4 that the producer may be speaking of. I used to do commercial music years. You have to be very careful when you listen to producers. If they something like "too much noise", you must make sure you take the time to understand what exactly they mean. Ask them questions to clairify, play back the music and ask them to indicate exactly what sound they hear that is objectionable.
One thing to realize about producers and directors - sometimes they feel compelled to say something - to always have an opinion or suggestion. Much of the time they don't remember what they said 10 minutes later. This isn't always the case, but it is quite often that way.
If you are going to be in the commercial sound and music business, you have to master dealing with people in this capacity. Just remember that most people feel as insecure about themselves as you do, probably moreso. Many times producers just want to be acknowledged and respected. Something like, "Thanks for the excellent feedback, I respect your opinion. I'll certainly keep that in mind as I continue my work. Do you think I should redo this piece?", often does the trick. Usually you'll hear, "Oh, no, no need to redo it, it'll work out."
Like I said, I did this kind of work for about 8 years, then got into engineering. |
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