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timothy
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 Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:46 pm Post subject:
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I am trying to make a controller patch for ableton live 5.
When I use the midi controller module connected with constant switch toggling I can assign each mixer channel to an rotary encoder and assign "mute" to the button. I know there is no talkback function with this module but - when i move the volume fader in live the knob leds are changing (!) aswell as it turns in the editor. When i then move the knob on G2 it skips to its previously value. Is this a bug? The leds are lying this way.
To bad there isn't a button in the automate module! |
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timothy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:
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| Thanks but I have seen that patch and its the same problem with it. |
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seraph
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I would think about the Behringer BCR2000.
click on the "search" button looking for it, you'll see how many G2 and Ableton Live users have chosen it as controller.
Also look for the BCF2000 it has motorized faders that receive data back from Live. I have tried it, it's cool 
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timothy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:12 am Post subject:
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I know about the BCF but I want use my G2 as a controller. Read my question again please.
I wonder why the MIDI "CtrlSend" module responds to ctrl data fom Live when it changes its value, but when I touch the knob it skips to its previously value before I changed it in Live? |
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3phase
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:
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| timothy wrote: | I know about the BCF but I want use my G2 as a controller. Read my question again please.
I wonder why the MIDI "CtrlSend" module responds to ctrl data fom Live when it changes its value, but when I touch the knob it skips to its previously value before I changed it in Live? |
This sounds like the classical mididata loop thing.. Ableton seems to send to the G2..but the G2 trys to prevent the dataloop and is maybe in a state inbetween the external and internal setting..
You might use midi automate modules instead of cntrl send modules..only problems with them is that knobs react slower..
Also check this patch
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-3808.html
It uses the automate modules and control send modules...
I ve to do a new version soon... |
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timothy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:16 am Post subject:
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| Voila! Midiloop - that sounds as a good explanation! even though I dont totaly understand it. |
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3phase
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| timothy wrote: | | Voila! Midiloop - that sounds as a good explanation! even though I dont totaly understand it. |
Its when machine A sends midi CC4 to machine B and machine B is sending the midicontroler back to machine A..A picks up that and sends it to B..Btoa Ato B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, B Bto A , A To B, aso. |
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audiostatic
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:58 am Post subject:
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hello 
would be nice to try this......but.... having trouble downing the file..( LiveRemG2.zip ) winzip is saying invalid archive...hope you can help me out....thanx for your time
Btw. 3phase your early work is dope...dude |
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huffcw
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| seraph wrote: | I would think about the Behringer BCR2000.
click on the "search" button looking for it, you'll see how many G2 and Ableton Live users have chosen it as controller.
Also look for the BCF2000 it has motorized faders that receive data back from Live. I have tried it, it's cool |
How does the BCR2000 address the midi loop issue so that the leds and position of knobs update with incoming midi while not causing issues? I used to have a IBK 10Control that worked fine this way, but I never really understood how it worked so that there were no issues with the midi loop.
Can the G2 be setup to do the same so that it can work in the same way as a BCR2000 (or is this something that Clavia still needs to work on to make it work effectively as a midi controller)? |
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timothy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:54 am Post subject:
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| The midi automate module works this way, but there is no button on it. That means that you cannot assigne volume and mute one one knob/button. |
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3phase
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Hello,
The attached performace is in reallity a Ableton file.. You need to rename it
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Live4 DJX.pch2 |
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7.56 KB |
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1452 Time(s) |
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DJX.prf2 |
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231.19 KB |
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1482 Time(s) |
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sheridan
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You don't have 'Local Control' on in the G2, do you? That might cause your problem... only a guess though 
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timothy
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:01 am Post subject:
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| I think I had a midi loop problem, with my multiple midi interface its possible to patch internally betwen the ports. It works as its suposed to, the leds are not changing on the G2 anymore when I change value on live. |
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mosc
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| 3phase wrote: | Hello,
The attached performace is in reallity a Ableton file.. You need to rename it |
What are the file types for Ableton Live? We can add them to the list of allowable filetypes. This pch2 file will certainly confuse somebody someday when they find it in the archives and try to load their G2.
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timothy
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 am Post subject:
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| Problem fixed in Live 6! Now I can use my G2 to control the mixer in live without any problem. first thing I tried in Live 6 beta. |
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