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numbernone
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Cheers Photon!
I will have to get over this phobia sooner or later I suppose. Perhaps I will go to a psychiatrist!
Great I need these same caps for CGS 59 Programmer.
$.02 each??? Man I will ahve to get a mortgage for these... |
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Usine Karate
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Any options for adding some LEDs to the panel? |
Ken Stone's LED driver can be modified to add LED's to most things, it's worth looking at if you're pining to have some fairy lights back in your life so soon after Christmas!
I usually have to dissuade myself from hanging them off every output..
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mono-poly
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject:
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You should have put Grant Richter's name on the panel.
He is the guy who designed this fantastic module and gave it to the diy comunity! |
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v-un-v
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject:
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| mono-poly wrote: |
You should have put Grant Richter's name on the panel.
He is the guy who designed this fantastic module and gave it to the diy comunity! |
I must admit, I think Dennis is spot on here. The actual Series 300 Wogglebug module costs a small fortune- to have it available as a DIY project is a very amicable gesture. Putting Grant's name on the panel is the least that should have been done. 
Sorry to be so blunt. 
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amnesia
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amnesia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:26 am Post subject:
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| so have we worked out if there is anything missing from the PCB here and a real Wiard Woggle? |
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v-un-v
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I love that XOR out! 
Nice panel too.
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IST NICHT FÜR GEWERKEN BEI DUMMKOPFEN. DER RUBBERNECKEN SIGHTSEEREN KEEPEN DAS COTTONPICKEN HÄNDER IN DAS POCKETS MUSS.
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stegoman
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:06 am Post subject:
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| amnesia wrote: | | so have we worked out if there is anything missing from the PCB here and a real Wiard Woggle? |
1) Disturb input
2) The Wiard unit is TWO Woggle #3's with an additional XOR/Ring Modulator between them.
3) Some LED's
I've posted how to add the disturb input, it's very straight forward. I've got two of the PCB's ordered and I'll build a couple of XOR circuits to cross connect them with some additional connections not on the Wiard unit. I might order two of Ken Stone's Real Ring Modulators and use some switches to create a separate panel for the cross connects and put it between the two bug panels with some normalized connections. I'm not sure yet as I'm still playing around with the final solution. I'm working in DotCom and MOTM format. |
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amnesia
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with the one woggle #3 will you be able to make the sounds this one does?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vFjz-ogqLk4
or will the PCB version just be more like a CV module? |
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stegoman
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The Woggle #3 board should be able to sound just like the YouTube video. If you notice in the video only one WoggleBug output is used at a time. What would have been interesting is to hear the 'Child Tones' which are what comes from the XOR of the two modules. |
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janvanvolt
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prophei
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:27 am Post subject:
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| stegoman wrote: |
...I've posted how to add the disturb input, it's very straight forward. |
At least when I tried this, it never worked at all...  |
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Rykhaard
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:53 am Post subject:
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| unit-sound wrote: | Update: Today, i have received 10 "test" pcb's from the pcb producing company. i tested those and the batch is good and no errors.
please check the page whether you're one of the ones who get the boards now. |
Uh oh.  Which website? I checked the 2 that are in your signature but I can't see the boards listing at all. I'm not worried whether I'm in the 1st 10 or not. Just curious though.  |
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janvanvolt
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prophei
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:
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| unit-sound wrote: | @stegoman (and all).
i have redesigned the front panel after your ideas: |
Have you tested the Disturb function as added to the original PCB? |
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janvanvolt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:
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| prophei wrote: | | unit-sound wrote: | @stegoman (and all).
i have redesigned the front panel after your ideas: |
Have you tested the Disturb function as added to the original PCB? |
i am currently adding the disturb on protoboard. it is NOT on the PCB version.
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prophei
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| unit-sound wrote: |
i am currently adding the disturb on protoboard. it is NOT on the PCB version. |
Sorry if I was unclear. I was asking if you had yet added it to the PCB version, presumably via protoboard. The reason I ask, and as I have mentioned above in various posts, I have tried this as per the suggestions given by you and others, and was unable to get any results. I am a little concerned that it will not operate properly with the way this particular Woggle#3 was designed. It looks like other adaptations of the Woggle #3 that include this feature are setup a bit differently.
I am very interested to know your results. |
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amnesia
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:31 am Post subject:
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with this woggle pictured i cant understand what all the in /outs and knob names are.
the names seem different ie WOGGLE and RANGE i know the graphics are stepped and smooth but what are the others?
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janvanvolt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:38 am Post subject:
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| prophei wrote: |
Sorry if I was unclear. I was asking if you had yet added it to the PCB version, presumably via protoboard. |
I'll test this tomorrow with my friend thommy from anyware-instruments. once i get results, i drop you all a note.
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prophei
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| unit-sound wrote: | | prophei wrote: |
Sorry if I was unclear. I was asking if you had yet added it to the PCB version, presumably via protoboard. |
I'll test this tomorrow with my friend thommy from anyware-instruments. once i get results, i drop you all a note. |
Thank you! |
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goldenechos
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:55 am Post subject:
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| amnesia wrote: | with this woggle pictured i cant understand what all the in /outs and knob names are.
the names seem different ie WOGGLE and RANGE i know the graphics are stepped and smooth but what are the others?
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Which controls do you not understand?
One thing about the wogglebug is that the Cluster and Smooth controls affect more then just the Clustone (cluster audio out). They also affect the Woggle CV (next to the Woggle control) and the Woggle audio (called woggletone on my panel).
I guess I just named things for what they seemed to be doing. I have since made a couple of changes in my panel design, and I hope to make a new panel soon.
The word woggle sounds like "wiggle" and the woggle control seems to make the woggle CV (and thus the woggletone) wiggle more. The Range control seems to affect how much range the woggle CV has.
The Cluster control seems to affect the sample and hold circuit, varying the number of CV changes created (note clusters). The Smooth control, well that name is somewhat misleading, as it seems to affect the range of the smooth CV to the Woggle and Cluston circuits... I just did not want the word Range on my panel twice.
I called the LFO a CLOCK because that is what iti is doing, it is clocking the S&H circuit.
Hope this helps.
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stegoman
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:
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| unit-sound wrote: | @stegoman (and all).
i have redesigned the front panel after your ideas: |
WOW! Looks Nice. Any clue what it might cost? How about shipping cost to Los Angeles, California, USA? |
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stegoman
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:32 pm Post subject:
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| prophei wrote: | | unit-sound wrote: | | prophei wrote: |
Sorry if I was unclear. I was asking if you had yet added it to the PCB version, presumably via protoboard. |
I'll test this tomorrow with my friend thommy from anyware-instruments. once i get results, i drop you all a note. |
Thank you! |
OUCH! Man, did I goof! It's still easy to add the Disturb input, but it hooks to the input side of the Woggle Range pot NOT the Smooth Range!
If you refer to the bottom of Richard Brewster's Wogglebug Block Diagram ( http://www.pugix.com/images/woggle-block.pdf ) you will see the overall layout of the Disturb circuit. The 'Stepped' output of the Woggle Tone Sample & Hold is feed into the Disturb 'B' input then on to the Woggle Range pot. The Disturb 'A' input is the external input we are adding. If you wanted, you could add another jack with normalization and make the Disturb 'B' an input that would override the S&H input (or disconnect it with an open plug). The actual circuit is shown at the bottom of the Woggle And Output Section ( http://www.pugix.com/images/woggle-wog.pdf ) although the S&H input connection is missing on the Disturb 'B' input (I'm sure that he has this setup as a normalization on the front panel). On the Wogglebug #3 PCB ( http://diy.czmok.de/fileadmin/wogglebug-schem.pdf ) the Woggle Range is hard wired to the S&H Stepped output. Connect the output of the Woggle S&H Stepped {output of R35 to input of R20} to Richard's disturb 'B' input and connect the output of Richard's circuit to the input of the Woggle Range pot {V4}.
If you look at all of Richard's schematics, they are VERY close to the Wogglebug #3 PCB we are getting and such mods are easy, if you connect then in the right place. The home page for his project is here: http://www.pugix.com/wogglebug.htm
I apologize to everyone for the mis-information and I hope this will resolve it. |
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amnesia
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:21 am Post subject:
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has anyone tried out the Plan B Heisenberg Generator?
How does that compare to the Wogglebug? |
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goldenechos
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| amnesia wrote: | has anyone tried out the Plan B Heisenberg Generator?
How does that compare to the Wogglebug? |
Similar... the Heisenberg re-creates the Buchla Source of Uncertainty "Stepped" and "Smooth" CV outputs. These are very similar to the "Stepped" and "Smooth" outputs on the Wogglebug.
The Wogglebug adds to that another CV (Woggle) as well as 3 audio signals,
The Heisenberg is an excellent CV source. It does not have any built itn VCO's or ring mod like the Wogglebug.
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