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Derek Cook
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:51 am Post subject:
Getting the G2 to respond to All Notes Off CC (123) Subject description: I can't get it to work! |
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Hi, all
I hope you all had a nice Christmas
In relation to my Hanging Notes thread, today I was trying to program a CC123 command to tell the Nord to stop playing, just in case I run into trouble again. I have a gig tonight! I'm hoping it will be OK, but....
I've programmed an appropriate button on my Remote61 and I can get other synths to respond to it on their MIDI channels (so I know that the button is setup OK), but when I set it to my Nord G2 MIDI channel (15), I cannot get the Nord to stop playing a note that I am holding. I press the note, unplug the MIDI lead, release the note and plug the lead back in, so that I have a stuck note on the Nord whilst I'm not holding the note then the all notes off command still doesn't silence the Nord.
In the synth setup, the Nord is setup to have a global channel (15) and to send and receive CCs.
Is there anything else I need to do to get the Nord to respond to CC123 (All Notes Off)? The G2 manual on Page 128 says that it is a pre-assigned CC. _________________ Regards
Derek Cook
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blue hell
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject:
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I'd expect that it needs to be sent to the channels associated with slots A B C D and not to the global channel, but I don't really know or anything _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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jamos
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject:
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The All Notes Off message has never been universally supported, due to implementation misinterpretations in the first generation of MIDI instruments. The G2 may not respond to it - probably doesn't. |
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Derek Cook
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Wout Blommers
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 8:35 am Post subject:
Re: Getting the G2 to respond to All Notes Off CC (123) Subject description: I can't get it to work! |
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Derek Cook wrote: | ... I press the note, unplug the MIDI lead, release the note and plug the lead back in, so that I have a stuck note on the Nord whilst I'm not holding the note then the all notes off command still doesn't silence the Nord. .. | Do I understand you disconnect the cable while playing a note? This is the proper way to get a Nord to crash concerning Midi...
I think it's very easy to program a Hold function in the patch.
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:23 am Post subject:
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Wout Blommers wrote: | I think it's very easy to program a Hold function in the patch. |
The object here was to create hanging notes in order to test the "all notes off" functionality _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Derek Cook
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varice
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject:
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Derek Cook wrote: | I'd like to think that the Nord does support CC123, as it's listed in the manual! |
The manual appears to have conflicting information. The chart starting on page 143 lists preassigned MIDI controls including 123 for All Notes Off, which seems to imply that the G2 responds to that message, but it does not specifically state that it does. The MIDI Implementation Chart on page 153 indicates that the G2 does NOT transmit or recognize the Aux Message All Notes Off. _________________ varice |
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blue hell
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject:
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Then I set the global channel to 16 and try to send all notes off to channel 16, through the external MIDI link - it does not work, demonstrating that all notes off can not be handled through the global channel.
The I set the global channel to 1 and try to send all notes off to channel 1, through the external MIDI link - it works OK, demonstrating that it is not a problem to an overlap between global the channel and the individual slot channels. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Wout Blommers
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: | ... The object here was to create hanging notes in order to test the "all notes off" functionality | Ah, just making the patient ill to see what will cure him
Didn't get that...
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jamos
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject:
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If you look at the G2 MIDI implementation chart, page 153 of the v 1.4 manual, you'll see that the instrument does not respond to All Notes Off. |
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blue hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject:
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jamos wrote: | If you look at the G2 MIDI implementation chart, page 153 of the v 1.4 manual, you'll see that the instrument does not respond to All Notes Off. |
But I demonstrated it to do _________________ Jan
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varice
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject:
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Blue Hell wrote: | jamos wrote: | If you look at the G2 MIDI implementation chart, page 153 of the v 1.4 manual, you'll see that the instrument does not respond to All Notes Off. |
But I demonstrated it to do |
Good work Jan!
So, it looks like the table on page 143 is correct in the since that a single patch in a slot will respond to an all notes off message sent on the MIDI channel number assigned to the slot, and the MIDI implementation chart on page 153 is correct in the since that the whole instrument does not recognize an all notes off message sent globally! _________________ varice |
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Derek Cook
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 3:37 am Post subject:
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Many thanks, Jan and others.
I had wondered, if I would have to add something to a patch to make it work, but that's when I thought I'd ask the excellent people on this forum who know the synth quite deeply.
It sure would be nice to be able to program in a comfort blanket of all notes off, just in case.
All the gear, including the Nord is in my car right now. I didn't get back until 3AM this morning and I'm off again at noon for the next gig, so it's staying in the car for now!
So I'll check this out as soon as I can, probably tomorrow before Gig number 4 of the weekend. _________________ Regards
Derek Cook
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