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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey rf

could you draw a block diagram or schematic (or just explain it a bit more) of how that patch worked? i am so curious!!! i want one playing in the background of MY LIFE all the time!!

thanks

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This patch uses the Bugs 40106 Osc's, 8 stage serial Shift Register, 4 stage Shift Register, 4024 clock divider, R/2R Ladder. "

thanks

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi loss1234
If you check the earlier picture I posted - that is pretty much the patch - although I had been moving a couple of the patch cords... and changing the clock speeds...and it changed into that output. I can't tell you exactly what was happening off the top of my head - but here's what was patched.

The top left of the case are 40106 osc's patched into the Data and Clock input of a 4094 8 stage Shift Register (2nd module from left). Next module to the right is a dual 4015 4 stage shift register. The horizonatal panel on the bottom is a 555 based VCO and 6 40106 clocks - I'm using one of those to clock the 4025 divider/Sub Osc. (4th Module from the right)
Some of the outputs from those modules are are patched into the far right hand module - which is an R/2R Ladder. Output from the ladder is a CV voltage sent to a 555 based simple VCO.

That's about all there was going on there.
Hope that helps a little - just start patching til something happens.
I've got another patch going right now that just keeps morphing as I move a patch cord or change the clock speed... at times its very cool...other times kind of annoying.
Good luck!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"- I'm using one of those to clock the 4025 divider/Sub Osc"

you are using a 4025 or a 4024? you mentioned it both ways.

also, i count 5 modules plus the lower clock/555 module.

let me see if i get the order

1 is 40106
2 is 4098
3 4015
4 4024 (you say 4th module from the right...but i thought the 4015 was the 3rd module?)
blank panel
5. r2r

bottom is more 40106's and 555???

i am sorry for being a pain but i think if i can understand your patch, i will be able to understand more about how to make my own permanent lunetta


it sounds like you are going


40106 into 4098
4098 into 4024 or
4024 into R2r
r2r into cv in of 555


and 40106 into 4015
4015 into ???

i just am not sure where the 4015 is coming in or what the 4024 is doing.

also, are you using a mixer or just taking an out straight from the 4024?

thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i keep re-reading your info

i think you are taking outputs from the 4098/4015 AND 4024 and plugging them into the R2R to be sent into the CV in of the 555.

have you tried sending this cv anywhere else?

is this off of +5 or +15?

thanks so much

very inspiring!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Dan -
It's 5 volts for the logic - although I do have +- 12 volt for a couple op amps I have in there.

I will post the specifics I have in the case a bit later... I'm off to the lake for a few hours of sailing Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks

i really appreciate it!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Dan
Here are the modules close to the time I recorded that - although a couple of the patch cords had been moved...sorry I didn't have a pic or make any notes of that particular patch...

The CV Generator under the 4024 divider is something like this http://www.milkcrate.com.au/_other/sea-moss/02_arp.gif except I took the three inputs to panel jacks, and took a CV from it rather than using the 40106's.

Yes - on the 'free jazz' recorded patch all the outputs from the modules went to the R/2R ladder, then to the 555 simple VCO.
I have also sent the CV's into the 40106 external voltage input I put on the Bugs 40106 module with interesting sonic results.

Re: planning it out before deciding on your "Permanent Lunetta"...
I have a really nice big 'BUD' box I was going to build the Lunetta in...but I couldn't seem to get started because I wanted the panel to have some sort of order to it..and I wasn't sure what circuits it made sense to have where...
It was keeping me from building the thing.
Finally I decided to go semi-modular so I can swap out or move panels and I'm not stuck with one 'final' configuration.

The 'double wide' bugs 40106 and the R/2R Ladder used panels I had screwed up on for my modular, so I will probably make new ones with better use of space.

Hope the pic helps...I think I got it all labeled correctly...

bruce


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

it helps a lot!!

thanks for taking the time to help me out

i have built almost ALL of these modules separately on the breadboard at one time or another but I need TO GET busy making them permanent because obviously, the sum is worth more than the parts!!!

i have been playing around with the external voltage in on cmos chips myself lately and its wild!

also, that 4051 is a great chip!


i love your suitcase setup. this might be just the way to keep my wife from complaining about space!


anyway...off to test some of this out


thanks thanks thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

oh man, how did i miss this forum. very very very cool, very very inspiring

Question though, i noticed in that suitcase set up you have a 4011 ring mod, could i look at a schematic?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is is...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

so with this schematic, you could technically set up 2 ring mods, with 4 inputs using pins 1,2,5,6,8,9,12,13?

If so, best ring mod schematic i've found yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

samples from my quest to get a sine wave

a 40106 osc driven by a 555 clock used very probably in the wrong way

it's also fed into a mankato filter, just because on that day i had this particular set up and wanted to try a more organic lunetta, but don't be fooled most of it is just the lunetta sounding so phat ehehehhe

the pitch modulation you hear is given by a photocell... just for fun

the clicks you hear are, ahem, performance clips.... moving wires around on the breadboard etc
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the clip! It's great to hear what you are up to.
Isn't that Mankato a nice filter?

You mention trying to get sine waves - how are you going about trying that? What sort of sucess are you having?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

RF wrote:
Thanks for the clip! It's great to hear what you are up to.
Isn't that Mankato a nice filter?

You mention trying to get sine waves - how are you going about trying that? What sort of sucess are you having?

bruce


the mankato is not only nice, is superb... lots of character and 'interpolating' capabilities... sound really organic and the boards and docs are of great quality - magsmoke.com sells them

i started a thread a while ago on getting a sine from a cmos
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-29403.html

in the example i posted here, i believe the difference was made by the capacitor values applied on the osc input, in this case 0.47 uf smoothing out the saws ehheeh

here's a pic of the waveform

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here is a sample of two of my 40106 vco's been driven by one of my 4024 pattern generators.

Some parts get a tad bit boring, so you should download it and skip around. ;D

EDIT: forgot to mention this was recorded on the fly with just random knob twiddlin' and switch flippin'.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great to hear some more Lunetta's! Thanks for posting that.
I liked the stereo bits - I need to do some of that with mine.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

synthmonger wrote:
ecorded on the fly with just random knob twiddlin' and switch flippin'.


Sounds great to me... Very Happy

Lunetta's seem to always have a happy sound. Anyway, I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear such sounds. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
synthmonger wrote:
ecorded on the fly with just random knob twiddlin' and switch flippin'.


Sounds great to me... Very Happy

Lunetta's seem to always have a happy sound. Anyway, I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear such sounds. Laughing


Glad ya like it Mosc! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great thread. lunetta1_184.mp3 is inspiring and entertaining. I love the idea of just letting stuff run and letting the circuit you designed surprise you. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

RF wrote:
Here is is...


The 2N5172 NPN transistor in that schematic can it be replaced by something else? Like say BE357/BE347/2N3904 ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's a quick clip of something I was messing about with last night.

Lunetta clip

It's just some oscillators clocking a little note generator made out of a 4017 and 4051. It's basically the multidivide from this thread http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-28792.html but using clocks on the data pins instead of switches. The ENA and INH pins can also be used for different sounds.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

slacker wrote:
Here's a quick clip of something I was messing about with last night.


Nice one!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

slacker wrote:
Here's a quick clip of something I was messing about with last night.


Yea - That's the stuff! Post some more!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks.. i love those crispy sounds!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the comments.

Here's another clip

The 2 sections are the same setup just patched differently, bit of knob twiddling at the end.

Really enjoying messing around with these things Smile
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