Klee 5U Panels Coming Soon

[bridechamber]

Hello All,

We're about to do a run of Klee panels in 5U height, most for 1/4" jacks but some for 1/8" jacks. If you're interested, please let us know @ contact@bridechamber.com so we know how many to make. We'll be ordering the first week of April, so they should be shipping by the end of April. We estimate the cost to be $100. They are 7U wide. Mostly they are designed by Thomas White, w/ eliptical spacing help from Bill Hall.

Please answer the above poll only if you _didn't_ answer via the modularsynthpanels group.

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[Sound]

Hello bridechamber,

Is not possible to download the pdf.

[v-un-v]

[bridechamber]

Worked for me, too, but I'll put it up on the site tonight hopefully.
www.bridechamber.com

[scriptstyle]

Is there the possibility for bananas?

[mono-poly]

Yes Banana's
I've been wondering for a while if Bridechamber does other stuff with banana's to on request.

[bridechamber]

1/8" jack holes should work w/ banana. Is there a market for 5U panels, laid out for the most part in MOTM format, but w/ 1/8"/ banana jack holes instead of 1/4"?

[mono-poly]

Yes i am interested in some banana panels.
Like JH and Ian's stuff.
And that Klee ofcourse!

[State Machine]

Cast my vote for (1) panel for 1/4" .......

Very nice ... thanks !

Bill

[ach_gott]

I'm still looking forward to this, but wanted to register my disappointment with the notion that E-M is asking Bridechamber for bogus "royalty fees" on a panel that was not developed by E-M.

[Edited to change the use of "shakedown" which was hot-headed of me. Apologies. ]

[bridechamber]

No!!!!!
Not a shakedown at all, but something to just talk about. Please let's stay positive. DIY must stay fun!!!!!
: )

[mosc]

[bf]

I have no problem supporting such a resource as E-M, and would gladly do so with the purchase of panels if and when a 4th run should take place. I'm sure I don't have all of the information, but a royalty on a panel design created by someone independent of E-M (is Thomas White affiliated with this site) offered freely (I'm assuming) to a third party does raise an eyebrow.

I see MFOS linking to Thomas's site and design as a choice move to increase interest in their boards and projects, while this move (however well intentioned) seems to trend in the other direction in one man's opinion.

[ach_gott]

Alright, here's what got me so hot under the collar. This is like my phone company. I pay for the phone, etc., and a few months in, I look at my bill and have to figure out how I was charged some extra fee. In their case, there was small print, but I saw no small print when I bought the Klee boards. Much like my phone, must I start scrutinizing E-M purchases for future charges?

You don't have any claim to royalties or licensing fees any more than someone who mods 303s has to pay Roland.

Two more examples come to mind:
1.) "Supporting electro-music": I buy tickets to the Chicago Symphony Orchestra... a worthy institution in need of worthy funds. I'm privileged to be able to avail myself of the performances they put on. Once you've paid for the $60 ticket, you've been more or less forced to pay a ticket fee, a convenience charge, and a facility fee. And then they ask for a donation. By the time the fees have been tacked on, especially the facility fee for Orchestra Hall, my charitable inclinations have been sapped and I bypass the option altogether. Likewise, I'm buying the panels, but I'm disinclined to offer support should it be needed in the future.

2.) I was in Pushkar in January, really just to see the temple of Brahma, one of (depending on what you read) three in the world. You're pretty much obligated to take a "free" tour offered by a Brahmin "student." Once you reach the end, you say a prayer for your family and whatnot and then the long, long negotiation over what you will "donate" begins. It becomes a game... pull out a ten rupee note, then a twenty, then a ten... "It's for the poor!" reach into pocket "I think I have something in here..." pull out receipt, then a crumbled twenty rupee note. "That's it, I'm broke! Mere pas dolar nihi he."

What would I have paid to get into the temple? Ten dollars? It's once in a lifetime... twenty dollars to stroll around in peace for fifteen minutes? But the experience is a monetary confrontation that becomes one of negotiating down the final sum. How much did I give up? Roughly $3.50.

Again, I'm buying the panels, but I'm walking away well aware that in future I may have to stuff the top of my pocket with small, crumpled rupee notes when dealing with E-M projects in the future. This in spite of the fact that if a request for donations was made, I'd have given more than the "royalty" surcharge. (Yes, I'm aware of the "donate" button button on the front page, but I rarely visit, stuck as it is in the pleistocene epoch of 2006.)

To sum, the community is dependent on a bonhomie encouraged first and foremost by our dearest Mosc. The panel surcharge undermines this spirit and, by extension, the implicit faith put into future endeavors undertaken by and on electro-music.

e

p.s. Pushkar is most definitely worth skipping.

[BananaPlug]

Scott Deyo:

[ach_gott]

[BobTheDog]

[ach_gott]

[sduck]

I'm just curious who exactly it was that informed Scott of the "royalty fee" and who exactly owns the royalty on... what? Something's extremely fishy here.

[jksuperstar]

It seems people are very upset about semantics. A mandatory "Royalty" I don't think came into it. The Klee design became a fund-raiser for E-M.com to help defer operating costs from Mosc's pocket. Bridechamber was approached about the idea of that when he posted the panel for sale, and decided to add to the coffer. Scott (ie- bridechamber) seems to be very positive about it. I think he ends up supplying many panels for designs that evolved from these forums.

This is not some big scam - so far there are 8 boards requested in this forum - that *might* cover 1/2 month of operating costs, IF Howard is lucky. I'd say Howard isn't very good at pulling off fishy scams.

[e]- after looking up current internet rates for businesses, I dropped my estimate from 1 month to 1/2 month.

[mosc]

If anyone wants to specify that they choose not to contribute even one cent to electro-music.com, then please do that when you order your panel.

There is no royalty, or tax. There is only a request for a voluntary donation, a contribution to support the site which which has made the Klee possible.

There is no shake down, no fleecing, no coercion, no pressure, no tax, and there is no resentment if you can not for whatever reason help out.

Sduck, I contacted Mr. Bridechamber and informed him that the designers of the Klee Sequencer wanted to give the design and the rights to electro-music.com in order to make it available to the community, and to provide financial support the site. It is sort of an endowment gift.

I think it only fair that if someone wants to make a derivative product of the Klee Sequencer, they do so in the spirit of those whose ideas and hard work made the Klee possible. There is nothing fishy here, just integrity and generosity.

[ach_gott]

Now, you see, that I is something I absolutely will get behind. With your permission, I'd like to copy that to the ModularSynthPanel list (or would you ask Scott to do it)? There was quite a bit of rancor over there and I think this would restore warm fuzzies and cash flowies.

And I'll stand behind my statement that E-M is worth more to me than the not-royalty and make an additional E-M donation when I get paid next month.

[bridechamber]

What Mosc said, what he meant, what I heard... That old chestnut.


I'm glad it's voluntary. I'll make sure contributions are strongly encouraged and provide all the necessary linkage and such to promote that, along with a suggested amount. After all, where would the Klee be w/o E-M?

I'm glad it's ending up where everyone can be happy and we can get on with building and making music and not getting distracted from that.

[sduck]

Thanks for the clarification, Howard. I was pretty sure there was no evil-doing involved, just the usual choice-of-words-getting-in-the-way-of-the-actual-meaning type of thing. The use of the word "royalties", wherever that came from, implies all sorts of ownership rights and financial obligations and legal ramifications that simply don't exist, as we now know.

Actually, I originally bought my klee boards and the parts kit to support E-M.com - I didn't really know anything about the project at the time - it just seemed like the right thing to do as I was getting a ton of useful info from the forum. And now that it's built, and I actually know how it works (just barely), I use it all the time - and I'm seriously thinking about building another one with Scott's panel.

[mosc]

Thanks, all, for those last posts.