Do we really offer anything at all to DJs?

elektro80

A lot of DJs have signed up here during the last 6 months. Most of these post a link to their mixtapes.. and we all know about that RIAA situation.. so we cannot really have those links here. This is of course an issue.. but I am not going to argue copyrights and shit here. What I am really thinking about is, do we really offer any fun here to the many DJ members? DJs are really one major side of the whole electronic music scene still, and I would like to see suggestions posted here as to how we can kinda "solve" this. Any bright ideas?

seraph · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:

I don't think any of us has ever encouraged DJs yo post any "mixtape" here. maybe they are simply stubborn Cool

no bright ideas, I'm sorry Crying or Very sad

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:

Well, uh.... sure.. we haven´t.. and if we let them.. the Spawn Of Satan will erase us. But what I rather wanted to discuss is if we should.. or not.. try to figure out how to create a slot for the DJs here. And if so.. how do we do that? Theoretically speaking I think we just might wanna do that... or not... I am blank.. I have no bright ideas.. but DJs are into electronic music too? Not? Shocked

seraph · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:15 pm Post subject:

Are you suggesting smothering them to death? Killing them softly with our electro-music luuuuuuve?
Seriously, we could figure something out couldn´t we? Shocked

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject:

Honestly, I would love to include the lot. You know, have the DJs around and .. whatever. It is far too much musician versus DJ shit going on. Perhaps we could take this somewhere..? Any DJs out there? Any suggestions?

diskonext · Joined: Aug 26, 2004 Posts: 306 Location: London, UK

I guess it's basically an unsolvable problem.

Thing is, I hardly can't imagine club-owners paying their dues to the respective owners of the copyrights when music is played at their (commercial!) venues.
Then again, the web _is_ rather conducive to duplication of copyrighted works, which makes it potentially more of a financial risk.

Oh well, this would be turning it into a copyright debate. I wish the RIAA and other associations that care for the rights of musicians and other stakeholders would recognize mixes in MP3 format for what they are, and be less anal retentive about the whole situation. (We love you RIAA... no offence Wink

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We could offer a special forum for DJ's but without a possibilty to showcase their art (which it is!) it would be not that interesting I guess. Maybe a place where you can upload say 45 seconds of a mix to show off certain effects or techniques. That would be hardly infringing on copyrights... Dunno the actual usefulness of such a feature.

Maybe we should petition the RIAA for a policy on the matter? Anything less seems inadequate...

-diskonext

seraph · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:25 am Post subject:

zynthetix · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject:

what we could offer DJ's is the chance to remix/loop tracks or parts from tracks that exist in the online music forum, or some short, original electro-music.com member made stuff offered specifically for this purpose. It would be interesting to hear a track made from peices of various members' music and it would also be unique to electro-music.com.

mosc · Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:

I don't understand the DJ scene well enough to comment on this. One thing you said is right, they really do know electronic music. The buy lots of CDs and some of them really know the music - many better than many musicians.

If we could offer them something, that would be good for everyone.

seraph · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:27 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:08 am Post subject:

Mmm.. yes.. I tend to agree with Kassen here. I don´t know if we have taken this issue any further but we are at least generating ideas and a discussion. One thingis bugging me though.. where are the DJs in this thread?

diskonext · Joined: Aug 26, 2004 Posts: 306 Location: London, UK

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:

Well, yeah.. I see what you mean.. If we here were going to do some collabs and stuff with DJs, providing loops and stuff.. we would hardly be taking it anywhere but just offering "free" alternatives to construction kit sample CDs and stuff like that.

mosc · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:

Funny, but on this tread the google ads are sometimes different. I guess it's because we are talking about DJs.

Anyway. Kassen, you have a great idea about the composition forum. That could be fantastic.

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:

Yup, I support that idea! Great! Perhaps Kassen could moderate it?

Kassen · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:05 pm Post subject:

Well, I DJ sometimes, here I am, but my style is far from conventional. I tend to use at least two, preferably three turntables in addtion to either two cd players or my laptop. It´s quite rare for me to actually do that out though. I tend to mash up layer uppon layer of noise, ambient, modern-clasical, spoken word and if you are realy lucky some techno.... I used to do straight techno and d&b sets too in the past.

About that forum; I would be very interested in this. I think we should concentrate on how composition interacts with the techniques of electronic music. I think we could discuss both scales and tunings and formal structure on one hand and step sequencers, looping delays, random number generators, etc on the other. We might try to see how those can be matched up together in satisfying ways. I would be especially interested in reading about how people relate the emotions or concepts they are trying to express to the techniques they choose for the piece in question.

Do you play realtime keyboard when in love and use a looping delay when sad? Is pulse train synthesis suitable for pieces programed in detail or is it better of pieces more algorithmic in nature? Is a lovesong composed completely in Csound a proof of devotion or a proof of your detachement of real feelings? Those kinds of questions. I would hope that concentrating on having everybody answer on his own scale in a personal manner we might inspire eachother and might pick up on either larger trends or on unexplored areas of interest.

I volunteer for moderating it if Mosc would think that a good idea too. That would probably involve trying to keep the clasicaly trained from trying to call the grooveboxers "dumb" and the gear-J´s from calling the guitarists oldfashined but I´ll manage. I for one feel it´s all valid (including dj-ing) and that it´s all open for improvement by learning from the other ways.

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

Magnificent! Very Happy

This will be GREAT!

Kassen · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject:

Well, I just got a message from Mosc, then replied with a joking "yes, I do", so composition it is. I´ll be off-line for most of tomorow but will read mail and messages tomorow night. I don´t expect I´ll need to read twenty pages of helpfiles on how the board works, then ban a dozen members in the first hour anyway.

Ready whenever you are....

Should we include something on interfaces in the forum´s description? I think composition and instrument interface are very closely related, especially for electronic music......

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject:

Great!

Well, I agree about interfaces being important, but then so are a whole lot of other factors. A whole lot of classical music has been written with a particular attention to the instrument interfaces and in that respect I don´t think we are more into interfaces than .. well.. Mozart or Carl Orff.

However, this is an important issue and we should explore this bigtime. ( I am a big fan of useable instrument interfaces. Remember, I am that sick sick guy who is calling gear like the Triton and the Motif for polkaboards )

mosc · Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject:

Well, thanks for accepting this responsibility, Kassen. I'm looking forward to this new forum, and for your active leadership of conversation.