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The G2 did not make it into the 2009 product list. In fact, in the company history section where they talk about the products that they have produced over time, the Nord Modular G2 is not even mentioned! 
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Perhaps they are afraid to alienate their organ clone loving customers?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:59 am Post subject:
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The catalogue tells us the following things...
1 the G2 is really abandoned,
2 there will be no new instrument shown at the Frankfurter Messe, or their catalogue will be outdated very soon,
3 they need a new graphic designer, because right behind the last info about the NordLead2X there is again a picture of the Lead announcing regular OS updates, so one could very easily think the NordLead is capable of changing the Operating System, which isn't true 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:03 am Post subject:
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it is still mentioned among their products.
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It will move to 'Discontinued Products' soon, I think...
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in 20 years it will be more valuable than a Mini Moog today (as long as you make sure to keep handy a computer that can run its editor)
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This is sad, VERY sad. The two most powerful and unique synthesizers of Clavia (Nord Lead 3 and Nord Modular G2) are out of production. And they still sell the Nord Lead 2X?
I can't understand it.
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I have to be honest and say that the fact that the G2 isn't even mentioned in the history recap feels a bit like being spat in the face.
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I am not surprised, after being kept on the line for a whole year (!!) after announcement of the Vista drivers. That in itself was already a sign of how much they care about the G2 and its users.
| electro80 wrote: | | Perhaps they are afraid to alienate their organ clone loving customers? |
I don't know if you meant that as a joke, but imo that is exactly the case here. More organs, more pianos (now even with iPod-docking station!! ), synths that are a step backwards from their predecessors (but have Mellotron samples inside to make up for that  )... well...
| Antimon wrote: | | I have to be honest and say that the fact that the G2 isn't even mentioned in the history recap feels a bit like being spat in the face. |
Well, they've surely irreparably alienated somebody over here who was faithful to them for over a decade -me. Over this period, I bought a NL2, two NL3s, NE rack, 2 G2s, 2 G2Xs -as well as successfully hipping countless fellow musicians and students to their gear. Thanks to me, the whole department of the music university I teach in is equipped with Nords. And I was also planning to get a NordStage EX soon.
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this is sad.
I dont like the nordlead compared with the possibilties of the G2. Im a real modular addict,
The G2 is not at its edge for a longshot. if they discontinue, at least make a module creation editor for the g2. |
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| tim wrote: | ... And I was also planning to get a NordStage EX soon.
I won't. |
Why? Is the Stage a bad thing? Are those other gear you mentioned also bad instruments? They aren't just produced anymore...
In general I have the feeling somebody has to be punnished. This remark is not directly to you Tim, just a general feeling.
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This is the price we pay for being a bit different (and I mean that in a good way). The people on this forum (and I would imagine most of the people who own a G2 or G2X) are a bit out of the mainstream of music. I mean, musicians tend to be special people anyways, but this bunch is even more unique.
Very few manufacturers can afford to support the unique requirements of unique people any more. It is a sign of the times. I still think Clavia needs to make the G2 software available to the open source community. Given the talents on this forum alone, the G2 platform could grow into something really amazing.
Has anyone tried to reverse engineer the platform? I would think it wouldn't make Clavia very happy but they're not leaving us with many choices.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:48 am Post subject:
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | It will move to 'Discontinued Products' soon, I think...
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On the Discontinued Products web page just under the G2X obituary, there used to be a short notice stating that the G2 Keyboard and G2 Engine were still in production. That has now been removed.
If you want to get a copy of the G2 Demo Software, you better do it soon!
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this is indeed a sad indicator.
i am thinking it is time to store my 2nd expanded g2 keyboard away and only using one expanded g2 live & studio (just in case one breaks down, knocked on wood).
/Dasz
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I don't think it is all doom and gloom. Remember we've been here before- with the NM1 (which I still own and love).
Let this recession* roll past, and I bet there will be a brand new G3! (with sampling too- fingers crossed!)
*- I can imagine that the G2 is a niche product? It would make sense to me to drop this product during the present economic climate and concentrate more on bigger sellers. After all, we want Clavia to survive, and not go down the pan? 
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| Wout Blommers wrote: | | In general I have the feeling somebody has to be punnished. .... |
I think it is just a widespread frustration among G2 users that, in essence, there is a feeling that there is a lot of untapped potential in the G2. And there's no way to tap into it, unless Clavia does it and that's not going to happen anymore. Clavia fueled these expectations by advertising with free OS updates and further development of the platform.
Then there's of course a background uneasy feeling due to many (imho smaller) issues such as a few bugs that were reported long ago and were never fixed while the mutator thingie was developed, once-upon-a-time preview modules never made it, knowing how things went with the G1 and the last OS update (lack thereof).....
I think it is understandable that some people are a bit mad with Clavia, although I personally appreciate their effort in making the last OS update while the G2 was already out of production. On the other hand, also imho, I think Clavia was/is sometimes too strict in their own plans and development efforts for non-high selling synths. They have often communicated that low sales did not warrant more development effort, while I think the PR value was overlooked or underestimated of keeping customers happy and generating positive 'vibes', yielding broader effects than just for G2 sales. There was a lot of negativity over the years on many internet forums, which I think was not good for Clavia's public image, and might not have taken heaps of work to prevent (but hey, that's just gut feeling of course).
But mainly, I think the idea of untapped potential without any option to develop further is the real culprit of frustration and some related anger. Clavia's decisions are understandable but so are these frustrations.
well, just my [choose any small amount of your favorite currency]
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 No father, no mother anymore. We are on our own.
But it's time to look forward without complaining. I hope the NM1- and the G2-community will stay more closely together. We have two of the best synthies (thank you Clavia) and there will be certainly some surprises in the future, without Nordkeyboards. 
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Let this recession* roll past, and I bet there will be a brand new G3! (with sampling too- fingers crossed!)
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yes, may be. but will we buy it?
i don't think most of us remain with a trust for nerdkeyboards.
everytime i see a red synth i feel like a bull. 
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We bought the G2 didn't we? (not me personally- I still think that there is much milage in the NM left- but that's just my opinion).
I suppose I would be happy because maybe I can now buy a s/h G2 for £450?  |
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| Fozzie wrote: | | Wout Blommers wrote: | | In general I have the feeling somebody has to be punnished. .... |
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Then there's of course a background uneasy feeling due to many (imho smaller) issues such as a few bugs that were reported long ago and were never fixed while the mutator thingie was developed, once-upon-a-time preview modules never made it, knowing how things went with the G1 and the last OS update (lack thereof).....
I think it is understandable that some people are a bit mad with Clavia, although I personally appreciate their effort in making the last OS update while the G2 was already out of production. On the other hand, also imho, I think Clavia was/is sometimes too strict in their own plans and development efforts for non-high selling synths. They have often communicated that low sales did not warrant more development effort, while I think the PR value was overlooked or underestimated of keeping customers happy and generating positive 'vibes', yielding broader effects than just for G2 sales. There was a lot of negativity over the years on many internet forums, which I think was not good for Clavia's public image, and might not have taken heaps of work to prevent (but hey, that's just gut feeling of course).
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Word.
See, I've just become sick of the constant letdowns. A "24-bit throughout" audio system, which isn't one when you start to do use anything based on delays. Physical modelling modules which were announced and demoed, but never delivered. Really bad bugs which never got rectified, but yay!... we got the patch mutator instead: a gimmick (I apologize if this offends anyone), utterly useless for serious algorithm design. Then those once prominent marketing blurbs like "products with long lifecycles" and "lasts for a very long time", which have silently disappeared from the website (for good), as we learn that some parts of the NL3 (or apparently now even the G2 ) are unobtainium.
I have no beef with companies that produce short-term, flavor-of-the-year products without a substantial future outlook. I have beef, however, with companies that claim to manufacture the opposite (and price it accordingly -Clavia stuff is not cheap), but in fact do not. It's dishonest marketing.
Bottom line: What I hate most is the intransparency, meaning that one never knows where one is at with them. And I've grown tired of waiting and second-guessing their newest moves. I don't think that's the way to treat customers.
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Tim and Fozzie,
| Quote: | | And I've grown tired of waiting and second-guessing their newest moves. I don't think that's the way to treat customers. |
Speaking for myself here only, the valuable lesson I learnt in the last year and a half, is that the only person I can change is myself, but not my girlfriend, cat, friends, work, or companies like Clavia -- even if any of them changes their mind on something they said. Since this is something that Clavia has done for a previous NM, I'm not shocked or surprised. my friends have let me down, but they are still friends. it is how one looks at it.
When I get tempted to get angry or frustrated at the things like that, or go down the path of "if I have feature X or synth Y, or box Z, then I will be able to make the best music ever" , I look inward and figure out where this need or feeling is really coming from.
And I ask myself, is this a battle I am willing to fight, or am I ok with it? - if this is a battle I need to find, and if I can't get it in the G2, then how else can I get it (hmm x0xb0x, or waldorf xt or rs7000 or ???) ...
- otherwise, typically underneath that I feel sad.
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I know this is a good spot for such venting, but I look at it the G2 another way.
The G2 has been around since 2004 (or in some cases 2003, like me). I celebrate the fact it has been around and supported by the manufacturer (either for better or worse) for 5 years (2004 through all of 2008) now, but most importantly how it changed me as a musician. Just like the NM1 which was on the market for 5 years (and many things went into that that we have in the G2!)
I used to be a performing lurker, not performing for a long time, never really getting the kind of performance I wishing I could, and I've managed to change all that, and I know the G2 has played a big role in that) -- thank you to variations, mux switches, x0x sequencers (with a nice x0x panel), and yes, those 16bit delays, which all contribute to even more massive evolving grooves than ever, and tight performance framework circuits and control systems, ...
It is sad that Clavia has not fixed the bugs we all know about, and that now it looks like we should not expect them to (but then who knows? only those who care). Clavia has already changed their approach to the G2 vs NM1 by supporting new platforms. So who knows? I don't, and I won't wait for anything.
So to me it is sad but fulfilling too, as I have many great memories when the G2 was growing while it was getting ready for you all (having been a tester and sound designer for it), and later the day 2 new expanded production g2's landed on my doorstep, 2 years ago when I met a bunch of you in belgium, and now when I see it on stage when I'm playing hard and the red box delivers ...
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The last true OS revision (meaning: work done on the actual G2 DSP sound engine) was OS 1.40 in January 2006. So, to me that isn't a 5 year span of maintenance and support, but only two at best. And I'm not talking about new bells and whistles here (""if I have feature X or synth Y, or box Z, then I will be able to make the best music ever"), but simply the implementation of publicly announced features -or not even that- just the fixing of (sometimes severely compromising) bugs would have been enough for me.
I'm not angry or frustrated, nor am I "venting". I was just stating facts on what I consider an ultimately moral issue.
It's just very bad style of customer care. And I don't buy products from manufacturers who exhibit a bad style of customer care. This is not "punishment" (as Wout insinuates), but simply my choice in a free market. YMMV. |
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