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Jyoti
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| BobTheDog wrote: |
Yep same here, small places without smoking areas are suffering and will likely close. |
I'm out clubbing two or three nights a week and the few mates I have that are smokers just nip outside. They don't seem bothered.
| Quote: | | Most pub/bar goers in the UK are smokers. |
Ummm... I'm not sure that's true. Certainly not in my random local sampling. Even if it was, you're leaving out that when smokers fill up a pub, all the non-smokers leave because the air is so acrid. So, it could be a kind of self-reinforcing figure.
Certainly the majority of people over 16 are not smokers:
| Quote: | In 2005, 24 per cent of adults aged 16 or over in Great Britain smoked cigarettes, indicating a slight fall in the prevalence of smoking among both men and women since the late 1990s.
The proportion of adults who smoked cigarettes fell substantially in the 1970s and the early 1980s – from 45 per cent in 1974 to 35 per cent in 1982. After 1982 it declined gradually until the early 1990s, levelling out during the 1990s. It then fell smoothly from 28 per cent in 1998/99 to 24 per cent in 2005. |
Source: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=866
So it seems sensible to run public venues to suit that majority.
| Quote: | | People that are not smokers still do not go to pubs even though one of the reasons that they used to cite for not going has been removed. |
Again, not true round these parts. The pubs and clubs are doing very well.
We've had two new clubs open up in the past year. When I talk to the managers, smoking is never an issue. Underage drinking, drugs in the bogs, rohypnol pervs - they're the issues.
And as a DJ, I'm delighted that I can do my job without getting cancer. There is no hell like DJing in a pub with no aircon full of chainsmoking teens.
And if these figures:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKGRI02714920080630
keep being repeated, it soon won't be an issue anyway. 
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | A friend and I were going to visit, we have decided now to go to a country where we can smoke and have a beer! |
Damn, there goes our national income  |
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| Antimon wrote: | In Sweden, the mandatory warning labels on cigarette packs have grown larger and larger over the years. I think the linked picture is inaccurate, because the label is larger still nowadays, and it has to be on all sides of the package. "Rökning dödar" translates to "Smoking kills"
Edit: weird link, found another example
For at least a decade, maybe two, the attitude here towards smoking has been overwhelmingly negative. I've never smoked, but I sometimes get a nostalgic feeling when I walk by the smoked-in apartment at the bottom of my stairwell of flats, where an old aviation instructor sometimes keeps his door open to his incredibly smoked-in flat. I dream back to my childhood, growing up in a cloud of smoke exhumed by everyone older than 12.
/Stefan |
this picture makes me wanna smoke... where is my weed?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:42 am Post subject:
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i have nothing against smokers but i never trust people who smokes a belinda from time to time 
on topic: it is really sad that we can smoke weet in a coffeeshop but without the tobago... so only wacky tabakky.
this is stupid an probably typical dutch (twilichtzone policy)
weet is much more bad for your longs or equal to a smoke and everybody who go's to a shop comes there to smoke and if you don't . . go home! (i never smoke in shops because most dopeheads are mindless retards )
enoch of this... now i am gone role me a nice orange bud.  |
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BobTheDog
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| As you are allowed to smoke neat weed can you also smoke neat solid in a pipe? |
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Wayne Higgins
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Florida voted a few years ago (2003) to ban smoking in restaurants. It was a good thing. For one, as an ex-smoker who's brother died as a result from smoking (alas, people do die from everything), I can't stand to smell second hand smoke. Especially when I am eating. The odd thing is that when I would go to other states, and people were smoking in restaurants, it was quite odd and uncomfortable.
The law in FL is...
Smoking is NOT ALLOWED in all the following public workplaces:
1.) Any enclosed, indoor workplace, including hallways, corridors, lobbies, conference rooms, aisles, water-fountain areas, break rooms, restrooms, stairways and entryways.
2.) Charitable, nonprofit or veterans organizations that have an employee
3.) Restaurants
4.) Hotel lobbies and common areas
5.) Country clubs
6.) Prisons
7.) Bowling alleys
8.) Movie sets, theatrical performances
9.) Family Care Homes (private residences during commercial use for child care, adult care or health care)
10.) Airports, except in controlled lounges that meet certain tests for ventilation
Smoking IS allowed , but not required to be permitted, in the following:
1.) Stand-alone bars that meet nine criteria, notably:
a) No more than 10-percent gross revenues are derived from food consumed on the premises
b) Not located within, and not sharing any common entryway or common indoor area with, any other enclosed workplace
2.) Retail tobacco shops
3.) Designated guest sleeping rooms in motels and hotels
4.) Outdoor patios and decks that are less than 50-percent enclosed
5.) Certain nonprofit organizations in leased spaces for non-commercial activities
6.) Smoking-cessation programs approved by the Florida Department of Health
7.) Medical or scientific research facilities
More recently, it became OK to take your dog to a restaurant with an outdoor eating area.
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A curious thing I've noted is that ex-smokers (at least the ones that manage to stay away from smoking for some time) sometimes complain more about smoky environments than non-smokers.
/Stefan
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Yeah vape!
I got this one and i should have bought it many years a go.
And the dutch are so stupid and always so proud that they are THE weed smokers.
But all they do is smoke with tabaco!
That is so bad for your high. |
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That is an amazing contraption. 
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | A friend and I were going to visit, we have decided now to go to a country where we can smoke and have a beer! |
Damn, there goes our national income |
Hey Jan, just thought I would put your mind at ease, your national income is safe.
We are coming after all, what swung it was reading of a bar with a smoking area where the drinks are transported on a model train though a hole in the wall, genius!
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We are coming after all, what swung it was reading of a bar with a smoking area where the drinks are transported on a model train though a hole in the wall, genius!
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will you you be able to catch the train after a few beers 
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here in aus, smoking has been banned in restaurants for ages and pubs since last year. It doesn't seem to have affected business much.
Japan was great, they made a law that restaurants and pubs had to be no-smoking or have a no-smoking section, but if they broke the law there was no penalty - nothing!
so everyone just carried on as normal
as for ciggy packets, something like 60% of the pack must be covered with health warnings - here are some shots of the back of cig packs (can't find the rotten teeth one, thats the best) -
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The pictures on boxes thing is a little like the Governments new idea here to stop young people buying cancer sticks, they have decided to stop allowing cigarettes to be sold in packets of 10 and only in 20s. This will stop young people buying them because they cannot afford 20!
The best way to stop smoking is to make it illegal to sell cigarettes, I would wholeheartedly agree with this approach. Also Alcohol is pretty dangerous stuff, that should also be made illegal. Cars also kill quite a few people, they should also go. Then we have governments who really like a bit of killing, lets get rid of them as well. |
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The best way to stop smoking is to make it illegal to sell cigarettes, I would wholeheartedly agree with this approach. Also Alcohol is pretty dangerous stuff, that should also be made illegal. Cars also kill quite a few people, they should also go. Then we have governments who really like a bit of killing, lets get rid of them as well. |
... and don't forget psychopharmaceuticals
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Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away.
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| Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
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| Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Oh no... the way to go would be taxes! Life should be a taxing experience.
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| BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering.
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| Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering. |
We're entereing Marvin territory here!
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| Oskar wrote: | | Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering. |
We're entereing Marvin territory here! |
let's go iLife 
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| seraph wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering. |
We're entereing Marvin territory here! |
let's go iLife |
There is an end to suffering.
iLife: an end to suffering?
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| Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | seraph wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering. |
We're entereing Marvin territory here! |
let's go iLife |
There is an end to suffering.
iLife: an end to suffering? |
what suffering
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| seraph wrote: | | Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | seraph wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Acoustic Interloper wrote: | | BobTheDog wrote: | | Oskar wrote: | | Or, taking it further, seeing as Life is certain death, we may just as well ban Life straight away. |
Not a Buddhist then! |
Life is suffering. |
We're entereing Marvin territory here! |
let's go iLife |
There is an end to suffering.
iLife: an end to suffering? |
what suffering |
I wonder how many quote indentations we can get before this thing goes bang? |
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