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dmacintyre



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:53 am    Post subject: G2 and Logic / VI Questions Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi All,

First post on the forum (hello). I was interested in buying a Virus Ti and whilst researching it stumbled across the G2, downloaded the NMG2 demo and now I am really confused and tempted by the G2. Not confused about the relative merits - I get that the Ti sounds good for what it does but the G2 has a much broader spectrum of current and potential sounds.

What I would like to know is how does it integrate with my sequencer (Logic Pro)? Is it a case of editing patches in the software, saving them to the G2 then triggering the G2 as a VI plugin in Logic? If so, is the g2 installed as an AU? How does the process actually work - I've skimmed the manual but can't see this anywhere. Can the 4 separate patches be triggered from 4 separate instrument tracks?

Also, I have Reaktor 5, amongst other soft synths. Is the NMG2 software editor doing much the same thing albeit with the benefit of DSP processing in the hardware?

Many thanks for any help. As you are probably aware, it can be quite confusing.

Regards

David
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Re: G2 and Logic / VI Questions Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dmacintyre wrote:
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welcome David.
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it can be quite confusing.


Apparently Very Happy As you are not the first one to ask this, mayebe it is the demo software that causes some confusion.

The G2 is a standalone hardware synth, it has no vsti integration. The editor can only be used to make patches for the synth and to transfer them to the synth and the USB connection is only used for that purpose, it does not transfer MIDI or audio.

When you want to control the G2 from the computer you'll have to connect it with a MIDI cable cable and send it note on/off and controller messages. The only way to get audio from it is to connect it's audio outputs to your soundcard's inputs. The only way to send audio to it is to use your soundcard adio outputs connected to the G2's audio inputs.

Hope it's not too disappointing ... as it's a great synth ...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: G2 and Logic / VI Questions Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
The only way to get audio from it is to connect it's audio outputs to your soundcard's inputs. The only way to send audio to it is to use your soundcard adio outputs connected to the G2's audio inputs.


...unless you have a mixer. Very Happy

Also, the G2 patch parameters can also be automated from Logic using MIDI controller data, but you will have to set up which controller numbers control which parameters... not a difficult job on the G2.

It is probably worth pointing out that the Virus can produce certain types of sounds very well (and better than the G2), while the G2 can produce sounds that the Virus simply can't... my point is simply try before you buy. Download some of the available patches here to see if the G2's (well talked about) sound is the one you're after. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the replies.

I think I might go for a used G2 engine as I already have a good hammer weighted keyboard. What about my question regarding doubling of functionality with Reaktor? It seems to do the same thing albeit with the benefit of DSP. I know the Nord has a unique sound but can't I duplicate things in Reaktor (in fact I think I have seen a Nord ensemble for Reaktor). Any opinions on a comparison?

Thanks and regards

David
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

To use a fairly vague analogy.

The comparisson between the two is a bit like using a pencil and paper or a pen and some different paper.

You will be able to draw up pretty much anything you like with either, it comes down to whether you like the look and feel of pen or pencil more.

With regards to the Reaktor Nord Ensemble, and I haven't seen it so I may be wrong, but it is more likely to be an emulation of one of the other Nord's maybe a lead or electro or something as a modulator emulating another modular is a bit of an odd concept to me, unless of course someone has macro'd all the modules available for the Nord but even then, it seems sort of limiting.

Different platforms really, I'd say the main massive benefit of the G2 is that it uses zero overhead on your processor meaning that it is totally stable and you can make incredibly complex patches without your computer freaking out, on the minus side, Reaktor does a lot of things that either can't be done on the G2 or can be done with a massive amount of brainache and work such as the internal sampling and recording. You will need to hook up the audio from the Nord into your computer so a soundcard with sufficient inputs will also be necessary.

That's just my thoughts on the subject, as I've been biased towards Nord Modular's for years now I'd recommend getting the engine but I'd probably recommend it to everyone whether they asked me to or not. As with the original NM, the G2 is definitely the last synth I'll ever need to buy (until the emergence of the next generation of course!)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dmacintyre wrote:
Thanks for the replies.

I think I might go for a used G2 engine as I already have a good hammer weighted keyboard. What about my question regarding doubling of functionality with Reaktor? It seems to do the same thing albeit with the benefit of DSP. I know the Nord has a unique sound but can't I duplicate things in Reaktor (in fact I think I have seen a Nord ensemble for Reaktor). Any opinions on a comparison?

Thanks and regards

David

I have no personal experience with Reaktor, but I know there are more people around here that use the combination, and have commented on the difference in working style. The G2 is said to be much more direct in patching, while Reaktor allows deeper programming and sample-based stuff, but takes hours to make a simple patch which can be done in a few minutes on a G2.
I think there will not be many things in a G2 that cannot be done in Reaktor, but it's a very different style of working. The Nord ensemble will probably be a Nord Lead imitation, not a G2 imitation.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the responses. I think I get the idea - emulation is never quite like the real thing no matter how good. I think I'll take the plunge with a G2 engine. More questions will no doubt ensue. thumright

Cheers!

David
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Purchase fell through due to seller not being able to accept Paypal so I am looking for a good used G2 Engine. Will post in the Buy and Sell too.

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David
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