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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:40 am    Post subject: Thesis? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi everyone

Ive been asked to put forward a possible thesis for my dissertation this year,

Im studying a studio recording degree

But although having a few ideas of where to take it, im struggeling to come up with a solid idea that ensure i will have enough to work with, and will get me a strong mark.

I want to encorporate the social impact that my topic has had, but still keep it technology based.

I am not asking any one to do the work for me, im more than happy to do so, but all i need is a stong thesis to get me going,

I mwould appreciate any help

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The best approach is choosing a subject you already feel you understand very well.

As for social impact, I dunno.. but possible subjects could be like microphone techniques for choirs and such and how this has developed since like one mic setups around like 1908 or something like that.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I agree with Elektro80, go with what you know.

As for socal impact, that's a huge subject.

Random thought:

I know a woman singer song writer. I have seen her perform seveal times. She is an OK singer, but not really very good. Her pitch control is not great and she can't control the timbre very smoothly either. Her live performances are what I would call good amature level. Last week she gave me a CD she has produced. I reluctantly listened to it with very low expectations. She had it recorded in LA by someone that does a lot of modern female singers' CDs.

Wow, I was amazed. Pitch correction, compression, eq and other techniques I can only imagine made a tremendous difference. It didn't really sound like my friend - more like one of the modern pop singers. I was blown away. I don't work in vocal production so the state-of-the-art was beyond my knowledge.

From a social perspective, it seems that at least in pop music a persons musical ability is not very important because so much can be done in the recording studio. Pop artists are becoming more and more personalities - actors as it were. I think this has always been the case, but musical skills are much less important now than I would have thought. Well, at least for the performers - the producers are becoming more musical. Cool

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
musical skills are much less important now than I would have thought. Well, at least for the performers - the producers are becoming more musical. Cool

that would be a "killer" dissertation Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:23 am    Post subject:  Great! Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow that does sound like a great idea, really appreciate your feedback.

So the best way forward now would probably start my research, trying to get a better insight to this area.

I will more than likely look at aspects linked with

How producers can manipulate vocals to make them more impressive

How diffeent producers apraoch different singers to try and get the best performace out of them

What the technology in vocal recording is, and how it has evolved in years gone by




Do you suggest any other areas i could concentrate on to angle my discusion?

Thanks again
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
Wow, I was amazed. Pitch correction, compression, eq and other techniques I can only imagine made a tremendous difference. It didn't really sound like my friend - more like one of the modern pop singers. I was blown away. I don't work in vocal production so the state-of-the-art was beyond my knowledge.


No offense intended Mosc, but;
I would also include something about how potentially damaging this trend could be. Both to music itself and to cultural values in general. The more people who are persuaded to use these measures to "fix" their vocals the more homogenized and sterile vocal performances might become. Some of the best vocal artists have become great, not because they were great singers to begin with, but because they believed in what they wanted to do. Passionate, fragile and anxious sounding vocal performances have just as much, if not more, credibility to me than technically proficient ones.

If an amazing new technology which made poorly played guitar sound polished and practiced had been developed in the early 70's, punk might not have happened at all!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

...to play devils advocate (and go perhaps a little ot):

uncle k,

you could look at this as damaging, or you could look at it as liberating. personally, i can't draw a straight line with a ruler...yet, with a computer, i've done drafting professionally, and a fair ammount of graphic design. i would have no chance at either of these without "cheating tools" like computers. the only people "hurt" by this are those that have invested a lot of time learning to do these things, and would rather that i hire them to do these jobs.

at the em events, there are certainly plenty of folks that would not be performing their own (brilliant, in my opinion) music in public without "electronic cheating"....laptops, sequencers, backing tracks, big piles of interconnected guitar pedals, etc. i do a fair ammount of volunteer work for our local flute club...and let me tell you, playing a flute through electronics is generally seen as pure blasphemy, and cheating of the highest order.

in the case of the vocalist howard is talking about, it all really depends. is she using this as a demo in order to get live gigs? this might be problematic, as it borders on false advertising (she doesn't really sound like that). on the other hand, if she wants to "produce" a cd of music she loves, and have it also reflect her own tastes and ideas (even if her performance doesn't quite live up to such goals without help), i can't see a problem...would it be differant if she did the studio tricks herself rather than hiring engineers? (i don't think so). otherwise, mastering engineers (which have their hands on virtually every commercial recording) would not have jobs, and it would be "cheating" to have an engineer use mic placement and/or outboard gear (or plugins) in order to fatten up a guitar tone, or make a bass sound fuller.

i do get what you are saying, and i might feel differantly if these studio tricks were really only available to those "in the industry", but we all have access to these tools, it's actually quite "democratic".

of course, it's quite telling that there are virtually no 'ugly' female stars these days, and since i don't think physical beauty is correlated with vocal talent, there is something worth worrying about here. would ella be a star if she was up and coming today? probably not, she might be singing jingles annonomasly.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
If an amazing new technology which made poorly played guitar sound polished and practiced had been developed in the early 70's, punk might not have happened at all!


Wasn't punk a reaction against slick, over-produced music?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

kkissinger wrote:
Uncle Krunkus wrote:
If an amazing new technology which made poorly played guitar sound polished and practiced had been developed in the early 70's, punk might not have happened at all!


Wasn't punk was a reaction against slick, over-produced music?


Well, that is the myth. It can be argued that punk never happened, that punk was a media phenomenon and punk never really was big at all. The thing about the socalled punk movement was that it was visible on the radar.


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..punk was a reaction against slick, over-produced music


yes and definitively a loud no.. and then.. that angle isn´t relevant at all.
However, NME definitively chose that angle when selling punk as the next big thing. Truth is that punk was a pretty small scene. I remember London at the time. Glammy psychedelia was still there and thriving. Reggae was radical chic and influencial. Ska was happening. Pub bands like Ian Dury and the Blockheads suddenly bloomed all over the place. True punk was only a very fringy part of the scene, unless you think of punk fashion as a part of the punk music.

I dunno, according to Kassen I was a goth at the time ( Shocked ).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:

No offense intended Mosc, but;
I would also include something about how potentially damaging this trend could be.


No offense taken. Very Happy

I'm not thinking this is good or bad - could be either depending. I don't think a pitch corrector would be appropriate for Bob Dylan, but if I made a vocal recording, it would probably help my voice a lot. Laughing

I'm not sure this is a great thesis topic either; it was just a random thought. If the thesis did summarize what can be done with vocals, then I'd certainly like to read it.

Whatever, music and technology are becoming ever more interconnected. Good or bad, I like this.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The real point I was trying to make was that these "tools", by definition, mean that you don't sound like yourself anymore. I'm a great believer in the shadow, the fuck ups, the bum notes, basically half the things which make life interesting. It would be a shame for these things to be cleaned up, washed away, fixed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In some cases, sounding like yourself isn't probably what one wants. I don't know what Britney Spears sounds like, but it can't be very close to the voice one hears on her recordings. Wink
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