Aspartame is bad for you...

Ponk · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:13 am Post subject:

Excellent use of emoticons you've got there abwajdyk! Keep it up!
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v-un-v · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 3:57 am Post subject: our biggest nightmare

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deknow · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

seems to have everything there and downloadable in several formats.

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v-un-v · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:35 am Post subject:

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mosc · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:49 am Post subject:

Kassen · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:53 am Post subject:

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Kassen · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:01 am Post subject:

Well, I think I've got the getting drunk and raising hell concepts down, I could work on the nakedness but that's managable. It't just that I was kinda woried about this "all of a sudden you get diabetis" concept. I think I can wory about that while also raising hell.

You see, my reasoning was that as long as I was feeling fine and healthy there wasn't realy a problem but Stephan (for that is his name) introduced the concept that me feeling perfectly healthy while maintaining a eating patern that he saw as not so healthy was actually a bad thing that was cause for concern.

doubledanger · Joined: Aug 15, 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Bay Area, CA

Stevia isn't actually more expensive, it's very very dense, well, condensed. Stevia is many times sweeter than actual sugar, and doesn't covert into calories. In many ways, Stevia is perfect... Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia

Oh and saying that your body needs sugars to live on is TOTAL TOTAL crap. Think about it, what did early cave men live on (and did really well on too!) - Meat and fruit. Very few carbs (cavemen can't thresh wheat), and almost no sugars beyond the fructose in fruits, which, as you can imagine were really rare (how often are you walking around the middle of nowhere and come across an apple tree?) Not only that, but we ate the meat uncooked even! Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for a nice fat juicy COOKED steak, but raw food is damn good for you.

Kassen · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:18 am Post subject:

Cavemen got most of their energy from fruits (so sugars) and things like nuts (fats) and roots (eventually sugar) and so on, as far as I know.

The whole point of sugar is that it gets turned into Joules (or calories in the imperial system). You need Joules to live, if you do not eat as many Joules as you expend through working and living you'll first lose weight, then die. I think it's great that sugar gets turned into Joules so efficiently; I eat in order to stay alive and stay healthy but I don't like spending time on it. To me it makes a lot of sense to eat efficient foods that are high in the things your body needs (such as Joules) so you get more time to spend on more worthwhile endeavors. It's certainly not "total crap" to say you need sugars and having grown up in the countryside I can tell you that if you know where to look you'll find a lot of edible plants, most (all?) of those store their reserves in a form that gets turned into glocose sugar by your body if you eat it. Added to that; many of our very primitive ancestors lived in Africa where the climate meant that fruit was available for most of the year. Actually I seem to remember having read that if you had to live on just one thing then the kiwi (the fruit, not the bird) would be your best bet.

Why would you eat something that's engineered to have no nutritional value? It just takes time and efford that could be spend working, reading or patching. I would greatly prefer never having to eat again but sadly that would mean suicide. With the exception of one person everybody I've seen that claimed to try to get as few Joules as possible in was also eating recreationally in the same periods. Many of them gained weight duringing those times though some stayed at the same weight.

I just don't get it. Time and time again I explain to people that very simple physics prove that you will only lose weight if you expend more joules then you take in. Invariably this gets me sermons of a very complicated nature, mostly from people in the process of gaining weight.

doubledanger · Joined: Aug 15, 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Bay Area, CA

Hmm, I think you're missing what I'm saying. Sugars, ATP etc are needed, but they shouldn't be CONSUMED in that form, it means you don't get a balanced meal. It's like putting gas into your car but not giving it any kind of oil change or service, and running it in a low oxygen enviroment. Or it's like putting nitrous into the tank, sure it'll run faster, but that's not the way it's meant to run, and if you keep on running it like that it'll break, (just like diabetes).

You go for a while and eat a sugar heavy diet and you'll die. You go and eat a meat and vegitable heavy diet and you'll feel freakin' awesome.

Now if only there were a chocolate milk diet... That'd be awesome. I think the only good thing about my unhealthy addiction to chocolate milk is I win shit with it. heh. you guys hear about the codes on the side of Nesquik milk? I got myself an Xbox game from it!

I know, how about I send you the nesquik and you drink it for me and I'll get the codes, that work??? =D

No wait the other way round I neeeed chocolate milk... *blurrhhhgg*

Kassen · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:

AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

This is starting to make some sense now. The "changing different things ito sugar" makes sense as it'll allow our precious brains to get a steady suply of burnable sugar without relying on constant sweets input.

Good, this makes sense in a "physics classes" way and doesn't seem to depend on too many extradimentional dieting asumptions.

Ok, so now about the fruits. Fruits are rich in sugars and when you had to treat in school (because of birthdays) you also had to bring some fruit for the diabetic people that didn't eat sweets. So; fruits are reasonably good. I especially heard that the kiwi has lots and lots of different vitamines and things and alos that the banana has something that makes energy release slowly and steadily and so is good for you while jumping around. Therefore I eat kiwis when feeling ill and bananas when jumping around.

How is the banana-sugar different from the choclate milk-sugar is a question that now immediately pops up.

Also; why do people go all silly when i propose french fries are based on vegetables too?

I tried to RTFM, but the texts I found tend to go off in realy silly directions with all sorts of weird diets meant to do things I'm not at all insterested in doing. I was able to find surprisingly little on what to eat written in a way that actually makes sense.

Probably the cavemen ate some more vegetable-like plants then fruit-like plants comparted to what most people believe because of the romantic immage of "looking for berries". still; for traveling tribes fruit makes a lot of sense since they have alot of Joules compared to their size and weight (and insects aren't as inclined to lay egs in them which is rather handy if you can't prepare meat) so fruit must have been quite valuable, I imagine.

mosc · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:06 pm Post subject:

Lot's to read here: http://atkins.com/why/index.html

Anyway, when you eat carbs, the body immediately converts them into glucose in the blood. You immediately burn these or if you have an excess of glucose your body generates insulin which triggers the conversion of blood glucose into fat for storage. It's a brilliant system. However, it appears that the insulin system isn't perfect.

If you eat a lot of carbs for a long time, the insulin systems becomes less efficient - you need to make more insulin to control the glucose levels. This is called hyperinsulinitis. You can have hyperinsulinitis and feel fine. It is associated with weight gain for obvious reasons. The problem is that once your insulin system becomes inefficient, it never gets better - there is no recovery. Crying or Very sad

After a while, you become so inefficient that you can't keep your blood sugar at normal levels no matter how much insulin you crank out and you turn into a type 2 diabetic. Keep it up and your insulin production actually starts declining and you become a type 1 diabetic needing insulin injections.

High blood sugar is really bad for your health. It causes all kinds of things like heart disease, kidney disease, breakdown of the blood vessels that can lead to amputation, brain damage, loss of vision, loss of hearing, and more. My mother-in-law just had to have her leg amputated.

This is very serious stuff. Cut out the sugar. Sugar is just pure carbs BTW.
Exercise regularly and keep your weight down. It turns out that if you do that, most people can avoid hyperinsulinitis and diabetes.

One can get plenty of joules from low-carb food. You can have a very energetic lifestyle and never eat another teaspoon of sugar.

doubledanger · Joined: Aug 15, 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Bay Area, CA

Wait wait, hang on, carbs != (are not) sugar, and not vice versa.

Carbs, carbohydrates, are like wheat, bread, not sugar, which is the white stuff.

There are five things in our diet: Carbs, Sugars, Lipids (fats), Protein, and Fiber
Sugars BAD BAD BAD
Carbs Okay, but still kinda bad
Fats Good, Fats don't turn into fat in the body, they're burned evenly. Much more dense in energy content, but require more time to digest, therefore even.
Protein Essential to our developement, especially new cell creation, only real source is from meat.
Fiber Indigestables, such as cell walls etc. Very good for digestion but very little energy content.

Esssentially the body is looking for a steady stream of energy, so fats are the best thing you can eat. There are good fats and bad fats, the bad fats clump together and are called transfats, good fats don't, and burn evenly.

Milk is good for you. Drink milk. Hehe, drink cocolate milk. It's got everything in it except fiber.

Kassen · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject:

Very good, so people can't complain anymore when mixed grils are ordered. Excelent.

But, milk good? I was under the impression the milk contained something called "lactose sugars" which were hard to digest for everybody who's not a baby anymore and which did something to your digestive system.

Also, Doubledanger, I do not believe we have yet thrown enough welcome

smileys at you.

Mosc, I'll read that page but I believe the atkins diet is one that's meant to make you lose weight and I think the general consensus is that I should not lose weight. Gaining, say 20Kg, would be a much better idea.

mosc · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject:

Just the first reference I found with Google using "carbohydrate sugar"

Sugars

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/organic/carb.html

Carbs are compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen with a ratio of two hydrogens for every oxygen atom.

To be sure, not all carbs convert to glucose. That's why Atkins came up with the Net Carbs measurment. Basically, take the total carbs and subtract the carbs from fiber and sugar alcohols. But, sugar is the mother of all carbs.

jksuperstar · Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject:

doubledanger · Joined: Aug 15, 2005 Posts: 33 Location: Bay Area, CA

Hmm, yes, I don't know exactily how to disagree with you, so I suppose you're right.

Thanks for the welcome smilies btw, =D =D

Lactose requires lactase to be digested, which is common in most ethnic europeans, basically, white people. True, we should all drink breast milk, but milk isn't bad for you unless you're lactose intolerant. I don't know, I just have this unhealthy addiction to Nesquik... but that's okay cus I win videogames from them. They have this promotion going where you enter in a code and then they txt you back if you won - I won Rainbow Six for my Xbox with it. Was tres kewl. Uh.. here's the link. http://www.nesquik-cooler.com/ggw/

I suppose I shouldn't be drinking chocolate milk, but I eat healthly in every other way, I suppose it's okay to treat myself, no? I mean, it's chocolate milk or cheap vodka.