Mute groups

[masso]

Hi,

I wonder - how do I do mutegroups in the G2? Both in the patch - and if possible - between the patches in the Perfomance.

Anyone bumped into this?

Best

Masso

[mosc]

Mutegroups? What are these?

[masso]

Mutegroups are just a way of of having one sound muting another - like classic drummachine hihats muting each other - but on steroids. What I am trying to do is to have slot A mute slot B and C and D - and vice versa - when used.

I see that I can send MIDI between the slots but I really haven´t figured out how to do it yet...

M

[mosc]

Send MIDI from one slot to another using the MIDI CtrlSend and CtrlRcv. On the channel selector memu on each module you'll find the four slots, as well as all 16 channels. Use the slots.

Use the MIDI sigs to do anything you want including mute. I guess you can mute an entire slot by CC #7, but you can devise many other methods I'm sure.

[Fozzie]

I can also imagine that you could send all the audio from the different slots to one slot, in which you could use all kinds of logic processing to do the muting (levelcompare modules and stuff like that). But of course, using midi cc's or a combination of logic processing and midi cc's is all possible. I'd say: just try, it should all be possible.

[masso]

Hi,

I´ve been checking the MIDI sends out... not really what I had in mind.
I just want the simple gate from anywhere on the keyboard to mute all other slots - and vice versa. Patching with CCs and sending audio is a good solution, but a little bit too complicated for such a simple task.

I could put all the slots on the same midichannel - but wouldn´t it be nice if one could send gate/velocity/releasevelocity etc between the slots? Not just a specific note or CC - but all. A simple module would do it.

Maybe it´s there and I can´t see it. Would be just like me if it were.

[mosc]

There is a MIDI note send module that will do just that. There is also a program change send module too.

[Fozzie]

Yeah, you send all relevant note data (on 1 midi channel, or more midi channels with more midi note send modules) to all the slots, and then you can 'identify' mute-group notes with note-detector modules (in/out category). If such a module sees its specific note, it send out a logic signal, which you can use to mute other sounds (use an inverted envelope or whatever).

BTW: in my opinion it doesn't really matter if you send midi messages (notes, cc's or whatever) to all slots, or you buss all audio to one slot for the master processing. It might depend on your specific performance whether it is nice to have all logic processing in one place, or send midi. If you are going to use multiple slots for this muting, you're gonna have interslot communication of some sort (gee, I think I'm Einstein )

[masso]

Hehe! The patchEinstein...

Yeah, I´ve noticed those modules... especially the send note module. But it´s very specific - just one single note. Why not a range - or from the whole keyboard? To patch just specific values between slots - not only for muting but other stuff to - like velocity triggers back and forth. Would be fun.

Always wanting moremoremore...

[gal]

check this --> http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-2162.html

[Fozzie]

Well Masso, with the G2 you CAN have more more more! If you want to detect a range of notes, you can use pitch output (for instance of the KBD module). The note you play on the keyboard is transformed to -64 to +63 clavia units (note E4 = 0; see help file for more details), and this value is on the blue pitch output. You can use it with some logic processing to detect note ranges; or even use the gate output (yellow) logic signal for the situation where any note should mute something else. Everything is possible, and it doesn't take any real genius, even I can think of it and I'm not really a synthesist (merely a bassplayer in disguise ). Just get used to the G2 'mindset', discover the different modules and read a little manual every now and then. I have read it, but I often find out that I should read it some more.

[masso]

Thanks for your efforts Fozzie,

the idea on sending the pitchvalues and converting them might be a way.

Kind of got more complicated than I bargained for when starting this topic. I guess it´s time to start sketching.

But it will be worth the effort.

M

[mosc]

I've been a synth patcher for many years. My suggestion: when you are trying to work out an idea don't worry about finding the best way, just jump in and try it however you think you might get it to work. If you are lucky, it will work. If not, you'll learn why not and this will make you a better patcher. There are usually many ways to do anything, especially with a rich module palatte like the G2.

From time to time you'll get into a rut - just doing the same thing you have already mastered over and over. Don't worry about this. In time you'll discover something new that interests you and it'll be like starting all over. I find I oscillate between feeling like a master patcher and an idiot.

[Wan]

[paul e.]

[masso]

Hehe, spot on! When it´s time to test new ideas, I always feel totally stupid. The reward is great, but I always try to sketch before I go in, otherwise I tend to get to messy. Of course, this always depends on how big a system I wanna build.

This mutesystem was supposed to be a four parallell system where each active note would surpress all others - making it kind of like a crossfade/granular machine. Just like pushing a button and go.

I´ll get back to you guys if I succeed.