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Static Motion
Joined: Nov 03, 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:18 am Post subject:
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I wonder if there's any new OS scheduled for the G2 ? |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24389 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:
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Static Motion,
no news that I know of ... _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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Static Motion
Joined: Nov 03, 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:48 am Post subject:
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Thanxx for the reply....I send a mail to Clavia about this...and here's the answer i got...
"Hi
I really can't discuss or make any comments on future products or updates. The G2 will probably not be getting any updates, it is what we call a completed product.
Best regards,
Tomas Johansson
Product Manager - Clavia DMI AB" |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24389 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:54 am Post subject:
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Hmm, seems to be a change in intentions ... was to be expected I guess. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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iPassenger

Joined: Jan 27, 2007 Posts: 1068 Location: Sheffield, UK
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Static Motion
Joined: Nov 03, 2007 Posts: 24 Location: Amsterdam
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:12 am Post subject:
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iPassenger wrote: | Indeed. Not what we were expecting to hear at all.  |
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dorremifasol

Joined: Sep 28, 2006 Posts: 823 Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:32 am Post subject:
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nnnNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOooooooo........!!!!
Not even Windows Vista USB driver? _________________ Cheers,
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Keysandslots
Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:13 am Post subject:
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Well, if it's a completed product, and they're not planning on making any more, how 'bout opening up the source code to the community? The thought of an open-source synthesizer based on a platform as amazing as the G2 has me drooling already.
Cool things start happening when a bunch of geniuses (many of which seem to hang out around here) start experimenting.
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jksuperstar

Joined: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 2503 Location: Denver
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:19 am Post subject:
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This has all been discussed before, and everyone is in the unfortunate agreement that Clavia is way to small a company to continue making products, and support an open source development. I know, "What's to support". There's alot, actually.
Anyway, this is disappointing. I thought Clavia made announcements earlier this year at MESSE that they would deliver an update "later this year". Isn't it late in the year now? Maybe I'm mistaken. It'll take a bit of digging in the forum to find this reference again... |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24389 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:22 am Post subject:
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Yes earlier this year the tone of the statements was a bit different, more like a maybe yes, where it now sounds more like a maybe no. Apparently the work on the wave was demanding or something. _________________ Jan
also .. could someone please turn down the thermostat a bit.
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JLS

Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 504 Location: Czech
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Charlie
Joined: Jul 08, 2005 Posts: 8 Location: paris
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:41 am Post subject:
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this is very bad news
so you buy a synth completely dependant with a PC and when this PC upgrades, your synth becomes obsolete, shame on you Clavia.
On a nord modular, I can accept this because it's a discontinued product but with the G2,....
and you wanna sell the nord wave (with PC editor )
I'm not a fool, I 've just ordered a blofeld and for the romper side, my Yam make wonders
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Kassen
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Joined: Jul 06, 2004 Posts: 7678 Location: The Hague, NL
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject:
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jksuperstar wrote: |
Anyway, this is disappointing. I thought Clavia made announcements earlier this year at MESSE that they would deliver an update "later this year". Isn't it late in the year now? Maybe I'm mistaken. It'll take a bit of digging in the forum to find this reference again... |
Clavia promised another update for the NM as well, years and years ago before the G2 was even announced.
in fact, right now on Clavia.se it says;
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Future upgrades will include new modules available for free from www.clavia.se. |
I wonder if that's legal, there are no disclaimers that I could find (and I looked), not even a privacy policy. _________________ Kassen |
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Kassen
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Joined: Jul 06, 2004 Posts: 7678 Location: The Hague, NL
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject:
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Tomas Johansson wrote: | it is what we call a completed product.
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Maybe I'll make this into a new signature. _________________ Kassen |
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Fozzie

Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 875 Location: Near Wageningen, the Netherlands
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject:
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Hmmm, not good indeed. As Blue Hell indicated rightly, about a year ago it was communicated that an update "was planned but no date has been set for its release" (I received an email with this info myself after enquiring about an update). This is not good for their public image, regardless of the fact that the G2 is very good synth already. _________________ Spinning at ~0.0000115740740741 Hz |
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mother misty

Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Ghent / Belgium
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Fozzie

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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject:
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Not making new modules or fixing relatively minor bugs (MHO) is strategy that I could understand from Clavia (although I certainly hope differently). However, not providing an editor - which is crucial for your product - that works on the current OSes at the time the product is still being sold and 'supported' is not a good way to do business in my book. I'm not personally waiting for Vista drivers at the moment, but I still sent an email to Clavia to let my opinion be heard as a customer. It probably does not help the matter one bit, but I just had to do it. _________________ Spinning at ~0.0000115740740741 Hz |
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mother misty

Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Ghent / Belgium
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:
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Fozzie wrote: | No I still sent an email to Clavia to let my opinion be heard as a customer. It probably does not help the matter one bit, but I just had to do it. |
You're not the only one!
It's stupid to release a synth which will take around 3 years to learn and only support it for 3 years.
How can they call it a finished product when there are still bugs in it? |
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crawling wind

Joined: May 16, 2004 Posts: 17 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:
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Wow man. Déjà vu. |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject:
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mother misty wrote: |
How can they call it a finished product when there are still bugs in it? |
Word. Please let's not confuse OS bugfixing and OS updating. If Clavia decides not to update (augment) the G2 specification with new features, that is their right and that's fine with me. However, if they will not address the bugs existing in the current specification, that to me is morally corrupt. Hey, they are still selling the G2, for goodness sake!!
Many bugs have been well documented here in this forum and have been confirmed by other users. To sell a buggy product (not exactly cheap too) while calling it a "top quality instrument" on ones website, with no sense of obligation to fix those bugs and responsibility towards ones customers, is nothing but dishonest and loathsome.
BTW: They threw the Nord Wave on the market with an unfinished buggy OS too...
For me, Clavia has always been the standard bearer of quality, support and reliability. Those times are obviously over.
I'm disgusted by their attitude, and am considering getting rid of my G2Xs and never to buy or use anything from them ever again.
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Keysandslots
Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 266 Location: Mississauga, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject:
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Although there's a bunch of stupid design decisions inherent in my Yamaha S90 (sampled vibrato and a crappy UI for example), I like some of the sounds so I decided to keep it. When Yamaha released an updated S90 as a new synth instead of fixing the existing instrument, I promised myself I would not buy another Yamaha instrument and I intend to keep that promise.
I guess the same now goes for Clavia. I won't sell my G2X because it makes some great sounds despite the bugs, but releasing a new instrument without ensuring the previous is solid is certainly wrong. What I find most amazing is that Clavia would go to the trouble of designing, building and marketing such an incredible, expandable, combination software/hardware instrument, and then abandon it, particularly for the very average (although perhaps good-sounding) stuff they have ended up concentrating on.
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2490 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:
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dorremifasol wrote: | nnnNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOooooooo........!!!!
Not even Windows Vista USB driver? |
Perhaps all of the victims of Vista should put together a formal request (not a complaint) and send it to Clavia to request this most basic of updates.
You have nothing to lose. |
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2490 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:
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JLS wrote: |
Source code - it is big illusion, this is total end.
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Not really. The Nord Modular community is still alive and thriving, even though there have not been any updates for it for almost 8 years ( please correct my time reference here.)
Yet, thanks to Chesran and a small group of dedicated followers, there exists an open source version of the NM Editor, which is improving weekly. Last edited by cappy2112 on Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2490 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:
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Charlie wrote: | this is very bad news
so you buy a synth completely dependant with a PC and when this PC upgrades, your synth becomes obsolete,
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Several simple solutions.
1. Don't update the OS. Is there any real reason why people must go to Vista?
2. Keep an old PC with XP around. They are much cheaper than NM's or G2.
3. At least one workaround has been suggested and proven using some relatively inexpensive software (compared to the price of a used nM and G2 that is. |
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cappy2112

Joined: Dec 24, 2004 Posts: 2490 Location: San Jose, California
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject:
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mother misty wrote: |
How can they call it a finished product when there are still bugs in it? |
Lets be realistic, what released products don't have bugs in them?
Just how is a 4-5 person company going to survive by expending resources
on an older product which may not be bringing in as much money as the new ones? |
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