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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Paid for 1 board
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

/mr wrote:
I can't see the PCB size mentioned on the webpage or in the documentation, do you have it?

There's a pdf in the rlpgrev3point0documentpacket.zip that shows the top copper actual size...it appears to be about 75mm X 110mm.

It's pretty tiny.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: LPG Boards Order Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Please put me down for 4 more boards

Hoping I'm not too late.... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks to all who have placed an order for the Resonant Lopass Gate PCBs. Please do not place anymore orders. The ordering window is closed and I'll be ordering the boards today. Boards should be to me within 2 weeks and all shipped within one week after that. Thanks again!

PS. Julian, please email me at djthomaswhite at yahoo so we can discuss those 4 boards. Thx!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I got several requests for the .ai file for the LPG front i made,so i post it here .


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just got four that I'd forgotten I ordered! Smile Always a good day when that happens...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just received my PCBs, thanks !
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Got my boards today! Very Happy Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

same here! thank you!
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:37 pm    Post subject: 4U Quad LPG Panel
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I did a panel design using Teknik's ai file posted above:

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Made a bunch of changes from Teknik's design, including flipping the direction of the "flow" (in on top, out on bottom) and I added some of the functionality of Thomas White's board (resonance and offset pots).

I'd love to get any feedback you have, especially from those who have built/used the LPG before. A couple of things I have specific questions on:

1. This layout is for 4 independent LPGs, making no use of the mixer features of Thomas White's board. Is this good/bad/just different? Are the mixers an indispensable feature for anyone?

2. Also missing the inverted CV out(s). Is that a big deal?

3. I'm designing the panel to use knobs I can get easily at Jameco (small, large). Design-wise, this layout puts a lot of emphasis on the CV level function, and I don't know if that's appropriate. Obviously, the emphasis should be on the features that get used the most...what are those for you? (I know this should be a question that I answer for myself, but I don't even have a modular yet...maybe I'm trying to be like Buchla and design the front panels first)

4. I'm not done, but I haven't found an elegant way (yet) to include a fast/slow switch. Does anyone consider that indispensable? Anyone who doesn't have it miss it?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I apologize if this is buried somewhere in the previous 38 pages, I was unable to to find it, but anyone have any idea of the current draw of this module on each rail? I'm running it on +/-15V.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stoopid questions from people who cannot find the answers on their own---

-Will the 3.0 boards also allow the use of a 5C3/2, same placement? The docs weren't exactly clear on any difference between the 3.0 and 3.1...the top page of the nrm site shows what looks like a 3.0 with a 5C3/2...I'll guess that the answer to my question is 'yes', it works like that on both versions.

Thanks for the project!

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Re: 4U Quad LPG Panel
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clarke68 wrote:
I did a panel design using Teknik's ai file posted above:



Nice one,way much better!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Peake wrote:
Stoopid questions from people who cannot find the answers on their own---


When people cant find something there could be several other reasons than stoopidness. Please try to view things from the sunny side a bit.

Quote:

Embarassed


Indeed Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
Peake wrote:
Stoopid questions from people who cannot find the answers on their own---


When people cant find something there could be several other reasons than stoopidness. Please try to view things from the sunny side a bit.

hey, he placed an self-mocking comment concerning his own question, i believe - so nevertheless you are correct, jan: we all should take more sunny side standpoint in reference to our self Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, and thank you for the kind assistance on my question Laughing

I'll trace it out for myself.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject:
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Finally getting around to a few modules I have to build. This is my FRAC layout for the 292c, with full CV and input mixers implemented. Comments welcomed. Front Panel file available.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi all! I'm drafting a panel for a quad version of this finally, and I wanted to know about how the Resonance function of this LPG board compares with the Feedback function in the MakeNoise Quad Multi-Mode Gate.

From the QMMG manual, gate mode BOTH:
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In this mode, The FEEDBACK is routed so as to DAMP the RINGING. It is not unlike applying your hand to the skin of a drum while striking the head or Muting a guitar string with your palm; Increasing the FEEDBACK could be likened to applying greater pressure, further muting, until finally, there is almost no ringing.

In the past it has been common practice to follow the LoPass Gate with a VCA in order To control the RINGING and reduce or eliminate the signal bleed associated with this Mode. The Feedback circuit in the QMMG allows for this control without the use of an Additional VCA. To control the ringing adjust the Feedback Manual Control or apply a control signal to the Feedback Control IN. To stop the signal leakage (when the Gate is closed), add a touch of feedback with the Feedback Manual Control.


I'm quite interested in this particular effect.... Otherwise, the Feedback in the QMMG does what you would expect for the filter:

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Feedback is routed so as to cause a highly unstable, non-linear resonance.


Do you think it would be better to use the Audio mixer on the LPG board for feedback, use the Resonance section...or BOTH? Or do you think there is more trickery in the MakeNoise version (i.e. feedback is routed differently depending on the mode)?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Resonant Lopass Gate
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numbertalk wrote:
I apologize if this is buried somewhere in the previous 38 pages, I was unable to to find it, but anyone have any idea of the current draw of this module on each rail? I'm running it on +/-15V.

Thanks!

Mine measures 16 mA on each supply rail (+/-15V). Usually I put the current consumption on my individual project web pages but didn't for this one.

However, I always try and maintain an up-to-date pdf file on my parts page. It's listed there.
http://modularsynthesis.com/modules/parts/parts.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 4U Quad LPG Panel
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clarke68 wrote:
I did a panel design using Teknik's ai file posted above:

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Correct me if I am wrong, but the diagonal row of knobs is the Offset control, so having another row above would be redundant. I can see what you were thinking though: that the diagonal row was the gain of the CV inputs. As far as I can tell, that's not how the original was done. Pls correct me if I'm off base here!

From the 292e description:

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The 292e sports four independent voltage controlled amplifiers. Each has a signal input and output, a control voltage input that varies the unit's gain from -120 to +3db, an offset adjustment, and a velocity input. The latter adds further control to the gain when employed and becomes transparent when unconnected.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Resonant Lopass Gate
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Thanks Dave!

davebr wrote:
numbertalk wrote:
I apologize if this is buried somewhere in the previous 38 pages, I was unable to to find it, but anyone have any idea of the current draw of this module on each rail? I'm running it on +/-15V.

Thanks!

Mine measures 16 mA on each supply rail (+/-15V). Usually I put the current consumption on my individual project web pages but didn't for this one.

However, I always try and maintain an up-to-date pdf file on my parts page. It's listed there.
http://modularsynthesis.com/modules/parts/parts.htm

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just finished my module and it all appears to work first time! Thanks Thomas for a great module and a really easy build.

Apologies if this has been covered in one of the 32(!) pages of this thread, but what's the best way to set up the trimmer on the board? Is it similar to how the YuSynth filters are set up?

YuSynth on his ARP VCF page wrote:
Frequency range setting :

-Apply a 40Hz squarewave to one of the audio input, connect the output to an -amplifier.
-Set the FREQUENCY potentiometer to 0 (fully counter clockwise)
-Adjust T1 until no signal can be heard at the output, that's it !
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I've noticed the filter output is much louder than the Both and the VCA outputs. Is this normal? I have to turn my amp up a fair bit when I switch to VCA mode.

Out of the three modes:
Frequency is the loudest, then Both is medium, with Amplitude being the quietest.

Is this normal?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yes.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Any extra board available?
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