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PCBs for Thomas Henry's X-4046 VCO
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LektroiD



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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What are the best transistors to substitute for the LM394? I'd rather match my own than spend the rest of my life sourcing such rarities.

Also would they need to be thermally coupled? If I replace the LM394 with individual transistors, one would be the wrong orientation for thermal coupling.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Actually, you can get thermal transfer by twisting both transistors 90 degrees in opposite directions, then leaning them towards each other until their flat faces touch. The picture below is a pair of 2N3904's that I stuck into the same socket that I'd use for an LM394, just to confirm the concept.

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They haven't been trimmed yet, nor do they have the thermal body for the tempco. I figured I'd make a teeny aluminum tab that gets epoxied between the flats and sticks up for the tempco(s). In this case, since the tab is rather small, I figured I'd use a pair of 1K SMD's wired in series, glue one to each side of the tab. It should be a pretty nifty package when it's done.

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PS... has anyone started on a MOTM/DotCom panel for this yet? If not I may give it a shot... I came up with a nice one for the MFOS CV/Gate Distributor... I'll post it on the MFOS forum one of these days.

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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A quick follow-up to my prior post.... here I've trimmed about 3/16" off the leads, got the faces to match up square, and made a little tab out of a piece of aluminum I cut from a pop can with a pair of scissors... it's a bit on the thin side, so I'll probably do the real one with some 15-20 mil stock. The bottom of the flag is cut to a point to match the faces of the transistors. I'm thinking it oughta work like a charm. Idea

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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Somewhere in my gear I've seen commercially made S shaped clips for that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2011 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm sure somewhere out there someone has come up with a commercial version of this, but 3904's at a nickel apiece just beg for bending, twisting, and lending themselves to a home-brewed solution. This one's mine. Wink

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i uploaded three eurorack FPDs to my site: one for the dual version i built (32HP), one for a single full featured version (16HP), and one for just the core VCO (8HP):
http://www.modular.fonik.de/Page55.html

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:43 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Mattias!

The PCBs arrived in the mail today. Vielen Dank!
Time to heat up the soldering iron... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Many thanks Matthias

A pair of very smart red and silver pcbs arrived in the UK today too.

Looking forward to collecting the bits together and getting them made up soon.

Thanks too for the super quick delivery.

All the best

Ian
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Fonik,

just took a quick look on your building docs and some questions came up :

- what`s the function of the connect 1 + 2 trimpots?
- how to adjust the hf-trim?
- how to wire j4 (hard sync)?

Thanks!

Wink

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread


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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello. Would it be possible to put me down for 2 PCB sets?
Thanks!
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Fonik,

thanks for reply,useful as always...

Regarding j4/hardsync : I didn`t realize that a JACK is wired up to j4,always thought of a SWITCH... Embarassed

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's easy to remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfNgtFL8VHw&feature=related

"A" is for "apple"
"J" is for "jack"

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

emdot_ambient wrote:


"A" is for "apple"
"J" is for "jack"

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Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

they arrived today!
thank you very much for this project!
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yup,

my pcbs also arrived today. Very Happy

Cheers!

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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi mattias
i received the pcbs and i have to say you did a great job.
all the connections for pots and jacks are made just to keep the soldering work fast, easy and clear.

thanx a lot
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

boards arrived. cheers chap. Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ooh, If there are any left I'd love to get two.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I received my boards too!
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Boards arrived today!
Thanks a lot!
Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The 3904 matched pair looks great, I'll be using these in conjunction with SMD tempcos (2K/3000ppm), hopefully that'll be close enough to the mark.

Also, how essential is R54? The only 1.5MΩ I have is 5%.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LektroiD wrote:
Also, how essential is R54? The only 1.5MΩ I have is 5%.

not that essential. actually everyhting should work fine with 5% resistors, even R27...

nevertheless, for the resistors in the sine waveshaper (R10-11, R16-1Cool i would use 1% resistors.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i'm searching for some trimmers but i have only 1/2w for the 100ohms
does it make a lot difference or it should be 1/4w?
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