Unison module

dorremifasol

I haven't seen this requested before, so here it is.

The thing is that I haven't found yet a good way to make true unison patches (without using more than one slot).

A Unison module in the FX area where you could tell how the number of notes to use, the stereo spread amount and the detune amount would be really cool.

The module would need a pair of inputs (for the stereo mix) or just one for a mono input, and a pair of outputs for the final mix.

Well I'm talking about a true Unison feature using true polyphony, not an effect Smile

jksuperstar · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:24 am Post subject:

By disabling the KBT control, and using a "monokeyboard" module, you can achieve nice unison effects. In this example, the amount of detune is set by the Voice No., adjust it by turning the Pitch Modulation of OscB1. Also, the Random module B1, is in "Poly" mode, so each voice has a slight variation to the filter and pan effects.

On the keyboard or in the editor, change the voice count to see how the variation sounds. I can easily get 32 voices simultaneously on an expanded G2, though this example defaults to 4.

It's easy to forget in the G2, all voices and all slots are always making sound. It's up to envelopes and such to STOP sound, rather than the style of most synths that dynamically allocate voices to unused resources.

unison_example.pch2

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Patch to illustrate voices of one patch/slot in unison.

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dorremifasol · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject:

Wow! Thank you very much for the example, it's really cool to have 32 saws screaming at once, sounds great.

Still, it would be nice having an unison module because this method doesn't allow to have polyphonic instruments. I'm thinking about an unison pad Smile

jksuperstar · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject:

You could assign the "KB" control on the envelope & oscillators to MIDI, then enable/disable at will. Not that I'm discouraging your request, just pointing the work arounds out.

dorremifasol · Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:14 am Post subject:

Sorry I don't get it, how can I make a polyphonic instrument of 4 notes * 4 voices for example (that is, 16 voices in total)?. The method you described works very well for monophonic though. Very Happy

Antimon · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:46 am Post subject:

This is something that could be done fairly easily if there were a macro feature in the G2. You would encapsulate your patch in a macro, and then create, say 5 instances with varied frequencies.
Too bad...
/stefan

cappy2112 · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject:

jamos · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject:

Isn't a polyphonic unison patch a contradiction.. a logical impossibility?

The G2 has lots of ways to stack oscillators and voices.. check the patch archives for details.

As for the macro-wishing from a few posts back: there's no need for macros to do this, just copy and paste all the voice modules and duplicate as necessary.

ian-s · Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject:

dorremifasol · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:46 am Post subject:

That patch sounds great Ian, thanks Smile

Antimon · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:22 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:52 am Post subject:

Chrono · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:57 am Post subject:

That real unison sound can't be compared with any of those patches made above.

G2 should maybe implement unsion where Legato, Mono and voices can be selected. As unison isnt used as FX

For me this is an absolute must have... Recreating access virus TI leads are practically impossible.

So my request update the editor with an Unison option to turn on or off, as it acts different on the amount of Voices you select

mosc · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:48 am Post subject:

Don't forget you can load the same patch in multiple slots. Performance mode is very useful sometimes.

Chrono · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:20 am Post subject:

i agree, the first thing wich came up to me was stacking a lot of osc's and modulate them differntly etc. That can result to some more clean sounds but on the other hand , unison combined with these same tunings doubles the power.

Do you think unison would be possible to implement in such complex system? I think a way just like in reaktor added up next to voice mode. And ye Pan Spread wich reacts with the voice combining.

Even if this would be the last update.. this really would make this system Complete! so nowadays users can easily get a full detuned sound without doing to much complex stackings. So you just need 1 osc module instead of 32

ian-s · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject:

Chrono · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

As its just an voice allocation mode in your words. Then why did they not add this in the first place like Korg ms20, Sequential prophet V, Access virus..

atm im reduced to the demo version becouse my g2 is replaced as i properbly mentioned to much allready (variation button 1 is stuck) Razz

So if i use this patch on my expanded g2 and allocate more voices does this change the detune and voice allocation?

i will give an example for the specific purposes its about an original Warner Brothers movie theme

+12 semitones Detune on a 6 voice unison allocation. (My Unison Reaktor Movie Lifter.mp3)
is anyone capable reproducing this specific sound and motion without unison?

and just some notes from your unison g2 patch.. (your unsion g2 patch.mp3) (sry for the cheap playing)
if the demo version does not playback your patch as it should let me know. Becouse the more voices you add the more unison should interact, especially at extreme detunes. (octave)

My Unison Reaktor Movie Lifter.mp3

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Unison with Reaktor! +12 semitones detune with an envelope point draw system (warner brothers movie lifter)

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Your Unison G2 patch.mp3

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your unison g2 patch on the demo version mono mode.

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blue hell · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject:

Ok, I changed the patch a little bit so it plays itself and I made a recording from that with zero unison to max and back to zero - this was using 12 voices.

g2ian-unison.mp3

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Chrono · Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:43 am Post subject:

Chrono · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject:

About the movie lifter unison style....

i reproduced this

The more slots you use the more sound.

Movie Lifter.prf2

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Movie Lifter Performance.

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dorremifasol · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 4:35 am Post subject:

Now I remember about the STACK function on the Nord Lead 3. This would be a much better implementation than the unison module. In fact I think it's an absolutely brilliant idea from Clavia.

It could be improved with a "stereo spread" value.

Chrono · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: