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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm still pushing the wavetable/sampling modules. Who knows, Clavia might learn a few new tricks from the users here on finishing up the new Nord Wave.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

@ 3Phase: I edited my secondary vote; made a mistake (don't know if you processed 'em already)

@ JKS: Ok, you convinced me, although it's only a secondary for me Smile

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mother misty wrote:
Fozzie wrote:
but it could be used as a workaround way to get more variations from one patch


indeed, but is that the only reason 4 people ask for "muteless patch loading on same patch content"?

I'm actually a bit surprised with that top 10 Rolling Eyes



Than you should have voted too...
The gapless loading wish is however very unrealistic.. That would cause so many changes on a low level of the instruments structure.. a different patchformat.. an a routine that compares patches before loading...
This just wont happen.. i would bet on that... however.
To be really realistic..when we have a top 20... its not likely that clavia will fullfill any point..some of them maybe... but not all...

So its dont matters so much if one or 5 unrealistic wishes are present in the top 20... it just would be bad when something really beneficial is not in there...

so... the secondary voting is the chance to get things up that might be more likely to be realized and from more general interest..
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

@mom mysti..

but what bothers you about the top 10? i think exept of the gapless loading they are all pretty essential points... wide spread but usefull wishes..some heavy ones like the new voice allocation mode and the very usefull parameter exclusion... which are maybe unrealistic aswell..but wouldnt require new patch formats,,but low level neverthe less..all the other wishes sound resonable...

i personally would like to see the midi master functionality for send modules up..because that is a serious draw back of the instrument that you cant alter the outgoing midistream withou the editor so well... And more important..than it would be over with patches that only work in a specific slot...for me such a thing is really essential... i run so often in a situation where i check a patch in a session and it just dont works because its in the wrong slot or it sounds nice but polutes the recording with unwanted mididata... having the possibility to route midisend modules in the patch settings would help a lot.
Also a module that makes the knobs and buttons useable independently would help much more than unrealistic wishes..and such a module would be dead easy to implement for clavia... maybe it can be ssen as optimized display usage... its rather a display function than a new feature...just a value module with independent outputs for knob and button

so what would be in the top 10 for you when you could choose it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

one question..just was thinking what optimizes display usage means... so point 23 and 24 could be seen as one group of wishes because a module that independently assignes knob and button does really nothing that optimizing the display usage...its actually part of the same wish together with other things that might give us more infos on the displays by customizing the function of button and knobs...

combining this would bring 23 and 24 within the top 10..or in this round direct to place 11-13..so in the top 20...

Smile i know..sounds like dirty tricks..but from a logical point its a group of wishes that can be fullfilled in many ways where such a module is just one possible suggestion but within a common need to get more out of the g2, user interface... at least the wish for such a module was posted a few times in the past.. there was defenetly some demand in that direction...

Anybody out there that would back up this point of view?

are there other wishes you see n the list that are actually a group?

the editor improovements could be grouped aswell? its 2 different things but both are copy functions that improove the patch process..so defenetly in the same family of functions

opinions?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice nice nice !!!

Granular possibility, pitchbend out and buildingblocks for starters!

Worderful thread! Power to the people!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

3phase wrote:
Than you should have voted too...


I did vote a couple of pages back sven.

To be honest I don’t have many wishes, I really like this machine! Smile
I’m just a bit surprised that unrealistic wishes (like muteless patch loading on same content) even made it before the realistic ones!
(like mod inputs on string oscillator)
I also wonder why we need a delay that’s longer than 2.7seconds, isn’t that long enough for most purposes? (you can chain them if you want longer…)
Different needs for different people I guess…
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I asked for you secondary voting..the first i counteed of cause..

So you just vote the mod inputs for the string osc...

The delay dont actually needs to be longer..it needs to be cheaper...the quality is much to high for simple delay fx..its a total waste of valuable ram
I cant use the G2 delays for lung times..they are too expensiv...so its not a useless wish..even when ther was workarounds... so its not the hottest thing in the top list...

However.. interestimg result of this is that sequencers and a filter bank are asked most..

I personally would be happy to see at least theese 2 things happening...

All the other wishes are allmost all desirable for me...

the master midi function probably would have the biggest rise in comfort for me...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And my votes are:

1. NM1/NL2 character support. Either as a patch-level switch or implemented in a number of modules. I like the G2 sound, but I often prefer the NM1/NL2 sound.

2. Reaktor style macro blocks (or building blocks as we call them). Imo extremely important to help abstracting parts of the patch. Or when repeating patterns are used.

3. Improved sample support.

4. Delay bug fixed (16/24 bit).

5. Improved sequencer support. Can't remember the problem atm, but it wasn't easy to build a more advanced sequencer with proper control and sync.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, been busy for a while. Laughing

My happiness items.

1) Fixed filter bank
2) global velocity sensitivity (curves would be nice too, but not as essential as sensitivity).
3) pitch bend send module

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My votes are for:

1) global keyboard velocity and aftertouch sensitivity
2) 24 bit delays, reverbs, instead of 16 bit. I still feel being fooled by clavia, the specs still say that memory is 24 bit.

Most important for me is the first point, because of my newborn son I don't have much time to patch, but I play other instruments with the G2 keyboard. In fact I bought the keyboard to be used as a master controller for my desktop. No way, I have to smash the keys so heavily to get some sound from my other sound modules that playing is not funny at all. At this point I'm thinking about selling the G2 as I need an useful keyboard.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would like to have a simple CC# for the TEMPO of the Master Clock, is that a silly wish? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

been busy, but I'd like to vote for the:
(1) wavetable/sample osc
(2) filter bank
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

gomidas wrote:
I would like to have a simple CC# for the TEMPO of the Master Clock, is that a silly wish? Laughing


Well, "silly" is a bit harsh but modern music uses a BPM range from roughly 60 to 400 or so and a CC can only have 126 values.

A while back I wanted a clock LFO in the NM to follow the tempo of my home-brew sequencer. This required a huge table to convert BPM to to the the number that coresponded to the closest BPM on the LFO. This had to be done entirely by hand as the behaviour of the LFO is quite iregular there, having a higher resolution for the range that's most regularly used.

I can't blame Clavia; as a compromise it's a reasonable one but it was still a very boring and longwinded job. You can spread your 126 values more or less inteligently over the range used but the end result isn't all that practical.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
gomidas wrote:
I would like to have a simple CC# for the TEMPO of the Master Clock, is that a silly wish? Laughing


Well, "silly" is a bit harsh but modern music uses a BPM range from roughly 60 to 400 or so and a CC can only have 126 values.

A while back I wanted a clock LFO in the NM to follow the tempo of my home-brew sequencer. This required a huge table to convert BPM to to the the number that coresponded to the closest BPM on the LFO. This had to be done entirely by hand as the behaviour of the LFO is quite iregular there, having a higher resolution for the range that's most regularly used.

I can't blame Clavia; as a compromise it's a reasonable one but it was still a very boring and longwinded job. You can spread your 126 values more or less inteligently over the range used but the end result isn't all that practical.

Yeah, but this range of BPMs is chopped up in 127 steps in the clock module, so why not do it in a CC for master clock? I have a G2 keys now, so its adjustable on the hw (also in the same silly steps), but with an engine this whish totally makes sense IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Fozzie wrote:
Yeah, but this range of BPMs is chopped up in 127 steps in the clock module, so why not do it in a CC for master clock? I have a G2 keys now, so its adjustable on the hw (also in the same silly steps), but with an engine this whish totally makes sense IMHO.


Sure, but wouldn't it make even more sense to use a NRPN and without iregular steps directly tell it how many 100th of a BPM you'd like?

A CC would be better then nothing, I agree.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Sure, but wouldn't it make even more sense to use a NRPN and without iregular steps directly tell it how many 100th of a BPM you'd like?

That would indeed be even better, but I've never seen Clavia implement any NRPN stuff. Would be a nice first one, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Mmm... bigger resolution on knobs... now there's a wish! Depending on much spaghetti there is in Clavia's code, that wish doesn't have to be as unrealistic as it sounds.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Fozzie wrote:
Yeah, but this range of BPMs is chopped up in 127 steps in the clock module, so why not do it in a CC for master clock? I have a G2 keys now, so its adjustable on the hw (also in the same silly steps), but with an engine this whish totally makes sense IMHO.


Sure, but wouldn't it make even more sense to use a NRPN and without irregular steps directly tell it how many 100th of a BPM you'd like?

A CC would be better then nothing, I agree.


A NRPN would be nice as well (I have a BCR2000 & the Engine Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So 3phase, where are we with this list now? Is it finished? Should we do a final re:vote on the top few to get the ultimate list and then send to Clavia?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

i havent done the last count but with the method i choosed or with any other method it wont change the result around the top 10..

Exept we do a new alternate voting that starts from plain 0..

but how could we do this with a field of 50 items?

I sugest to keep it like that and send it to clavia ..

opinions please?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

3phase wrote:
I sugest to keep it like that and send it to clavia ..

opinions please?


Agreed, it has been pondered long enough IMO (and maybe the most important message to Clavia would be that we are still interested in our G2s and hope that they are as well Very Happy )

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I second that motion. Let's send it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes compile and send please, we dont want to miss the boat... if there even is a boat Cool
Thank you for your hard work 3phase
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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3phase wrote:
Agreed, it has been pondered long enough IMO (and maybe the most important message to Clavia would be that we are still interested in our G2s and hope that they are as well Very Happy )


Yes, I'd much rather have a new OS with features I don't want than not have one with all those that I do.

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