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GovernorSilver
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| Another vote for more variety in delay time settings. I suspect the 2.x second limit is arbitrary - if you have an expansion module, there should be more memory available for delay, no? |
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3phase
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 1:29 pm Post subject:
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| dorremifasol wrote: | 3phase, I have tried the trick about programming the velocity curve using a midi input->shaper or whatever->midi output, but it doesn't work...
I mean, the trick works if you set the slot output channel to off (or you will get double voices), but then there is no pitchbend / modulation wheel output :/ which makes the G2 not very usable as a keyboard controller. |
This trick is ment when you want to control extrenal gear on other/external channels.. there is mod wheel and every other controler availible via conrl send modules .exept the pitchstick output... Probably the reason that the pitch send module wish is so popular...
IN the end of the day adjustable keyboard response would be fine...i rather have problems with the aftertouch sensetivity there... velocity response is quite good for me ...
But i got used to this part of the G2.. i rather opt for more structural and functional enhancements... |
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Fozzie
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject:
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | Fozzie wrote: | 6. Rate input on the clock module, to be able to have finer control of BPM (it is way too coarse)
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Could be tricky 
On the master clock or on the clock module? In master mode or in standalone mode or in both? Or should the clock module affect the master clock, in which case probably a new master clock control module would be the thing as there can now be multiple independent clock modules in a patch (which would get a bit funny if they could control the master clock). Hmm, the master clock is global for all patches so you still could have multiple control modules ... how about simply a fine control for the master clock ?
When it should not act on the master clock it is possible to use an LFO (maybe set to follow the master clock) and a divider in order to get both clock outputs and another divider for the sync output. |
It's not essential (that's why it's my #6), but here's what I think about it. The clock module has a rate control knob which looses its function when the master clock is used/selected. Therefore, a rate input would just function when the master clock is NOT selected, making it an easy way to use intermediate BPM settings and possibly enable some easy tap-tempo stuff for sequencer-heavy things. I know that an LFO can be used, but in that line of thinking the entire module is redundant. IMHO it would be a very easy thing to implement, which could be separate from master clock functionality changes.
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#1 Inter-variation stuff (parameter exclusion, instant copy single parameter to all variations)
#2 Delay resolution (bits, frequency)
/Stefan
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General Elektrick
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject:
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1- Filterbank as already said from me
2- I would be glad for an expensive reverb with a better algorithm and some parameters to modulate. Even if this modul takes up one whole slot only for it... 
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dasz
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject:
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My top 3 (repeated wishes)
1. Variation exclude
2. Sequencer patterns
3. No muting when loading 2 identically patched patches (need feature to lock modules from being moved, and connections too! - kin). This can be done easily by embedding a CRC # in a pch file attribute. No wierd analysis needed. Essentially the signal tree chain in xml. Easy!
Propellerheads did stuff like this.
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clydebarrow
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject:
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I should receive my NM2 today  
ain't it possible to manage "parallel" seqs to manage poly?
and why don't you put this discussion in the "wish list" topic?
today, I get it::: |
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Regebro
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| 3phase wrote: | real samplememory and tables i dont see as a practical possible wish...
am i wrong? |
Real samplememory and tables are not the same thing at all. 
I don't know if tables is possible, that depends on how much non-volatile memory there is, if it's enough for a small wave-table.
Realtime input graintable synthesis doesn't interest me.
| Quote: | | so multipattern or polyphon sequencing..booth would need editing ability on various pages..a very similar module... so maybe it can be solved in one ? |
Sure. A phat sequencer module with patterns is whats needed. I'm guessing the problem there is how to make it not use up too much memory and still have place for lots of data.
This could be 7 wishes..but in reality clavia never would do that..
One module that is good for 7 tricks is much more in the philosophy of the nord modulars and so there is a much better chance to see such a thing when we ask for that one instead 10 different things that are basically all based on free accesible ram readout...
| Quote: | | Grain table like maelstroehm is a bit vague.. |
In fact, it's extremely specific. I want a new OSC module. One like that, please <points>.
| Quote: | | They are defenetly not into coping software synths |
But this software synth tries to look like a hardware synth, and could be one.
| Quote: | | and rather try to find more basic/ academic solutions for the NM system... |
Well, you don't get more basic than this. It's a wavetable oscillator, shouldn't need very big tables. You can set it to play the whole wave, or just a number of grain of the table.
That's it.
(The Maelstrom is not awesome just because of this, but the other things, like the comb filters, already exists.) |
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3phase
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:39 am Post subject:
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| clydebarrow wrote: | I should receive my NM2 today
ain't it possible to manage "parallel" seqs to manage poly?
and why don't you put this discussion in the "wish list" topic?
today, I get it::: |
Its somehow possible... i did it and it costs a slot... would be a big resource safer to do that in an integrated module... its an every day scenario on a polyphon instrument... Its something possible with the G2 sequencers but its clearly an area where additional developments would be beneficial |
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3phase
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:43 am Post subject:
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@dasz and regnbro... so i reformulate your wishes in the list..
so one count down for the sampling delay module and instead a wavetable osc. |
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3phase
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| Fozzie wrote: | | There are also a few things that need to be clarified (now or later) imho: there is an allpass filter on the list. In what way should it be different to what is already present? A polyphonic seq is mentioned often; how should this be implemented in the current editor? A module with multiple blue outputs? How will this fit in with the current polyphony handling? I like the idea, but I don't see a practical solution for it... |
There is no allpass filter in the G2 as we can see in the clever patch arounds of rob with mixer modules... also all the tricks with the phaser module don't act as a single tuneable allpassfilter for whatever reasons...
It wouldn't hurt to have such a thing in a module to have a more direct access to that function or even give beginners the idea that there is something like an allpass filter..
regarding the sequencers... the actual ones are polyphone already..problem they only store and edit the last voice... the one that is displayed in the module... So actually it only would need an interface with multiple editing pages/mem buffers to handle that..the order of the voices is irrelevant aslong all of them have an own editpage and buffer..
Therefore i am thinking this module..and the most asked multipattern sequencer are actually one thing.. On a multipattern sequencer we also need multiple/selectable buffers/editpages...
So the only thing that would be needed to allow a multipattern sequencer to be a polyphonic sequencer is that it plays all the patterns at once split to individual voices...
So developing a multipattern sequencer is already 95% of developing a polyphone sequencer..so i ve grouped this wish...
Regarding the wishlists..please don't double post wishes or when you have to please mark them with "already wished or mentioned"
thnx
Sven
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3phase
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mother misty
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:28 am Post subject:
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| 3phase wrote: | | There is no allpass filter in the G2 as we can see in the clever patch arounds of rob with mixer modules... |
Isn't the BP output on the SVF-filter an allpass filter in 6dB mode?
(the following part comes from the manual)
The dB/Oct radio button can change the LP and HP outputs to 6dB slopes. The BP output however is changed into an allpass output when the filter is in 6dB mode |
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iPassenger
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:32 am Post subject:
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3phase,
I think this top 12 looks like a mighty fine list of upgrades too me and would really push the G2 into new areas, whilst not actually requiring too much in terms of coding (i imagine at least).
I don't think i added my vote for the volatile sampling/delay/readout module, so can you add it now.
Cheers
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:37 am Post subject:
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some wishes from me...
- decay & damp mod inputs on the string oscillator,
(would make this module alot more useful)
- 1 more vote for grain modules
- wavetable osc
bugfixes
- the step/prob on the random pattern module doesn't seem to work... |
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Regebro
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| 3phase wrote: | @dasz and regnbro... so i reformulate your wishes in the list..
so one count down for the sampling delay module and instead a wavetable osc. |
Yup. Sampling delay modeul is supercool too, but I have to be realistic and I simply have no use for one. The way I make music I need to be able to save and load the sounds completely. Sampling on realtime inputs is a cool idea, but for me, useless. |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:47 am Post subject:
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I know what u mean, it is isn't great in terms of repeatability but as full on sampling is definately out of the questions this at least would be better than nothing.- if u get crazy results from this u can always then re-sample into a sampler or audio recording environment. And although tims patches are amazing, without understanding what he has going on in there they are not easy to modify for your own ends.
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3phase
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 5:53 am Post subject:
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| mother misty wrote: | | 3phase wrote: | | There is no allpass filter in the G2 as we can see in the clever patch arounds of rob with mixer modules... |
Isn't the BP output on the SVF-filter an allpass filter in 6dB mode?
(the following part comes from the manual)
The dB/Oct radio button can change the LP and HP outputs to 6dB slopes. The BP output however is changed into an allpass output when the filter is in 6dB mode |
Maybe its a bug but i cant get the allpass fx i know from my K2000 and reaktor with the nord without using robs tricks with the mixermodules...
I will reinvestigate...havent known that clavioa has that in theiere manual..just tried it years ago when somenone mentioned the trick..and it hasnt worked for me than... ups.. ok..maybe that has improoved in an update... i will check it |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:01 am Post subject:
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3phase when u say "Rob's patch around" do u mean building a custom filter arrangement n then just using the filter input mixer as yr output and hence getting the resonance loop but avoiding the actual filtered sound?
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:
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No.. Rob did some DIY allpassfilters that are used in his patches that did waht i want to hear from an allpass filter... And the BP on 6db havent done it ... But..maybe that has changed.. But because i think an allpass filter is an extremly important thing we easily could have a dedicated module anyway... However... this is one of my wishes that never will made it to the top list..and its possible to patch your own..so its defenetly not from such a impact like the parameter exclusion from variation change...
As i said..
i allready would be happy when this is just a special value module that can be used when such a function is needed...
This wouldnt be too much coding work i guess... So basically a module where all variation mem bufers are set to the same parameter..
That would do the job for me allready.
Of cause it would be nice if that would be a general feature..But in the end of the day... The special value module would solve the areas where it hurts and most of the time we dont need that exclusion anyway..or it might be irritating when you accidently have excluded such parameters...
the editor needs to be updates and a display function is needed like on the modules that are excluded from mutation. However..clavia have to decide on this one..but i think it would be wise to point the possebility that at least a special global value module should be implemented when they cant give us the whole cake...
This exclusion wish is one of the most important for me... because in the actual state i cant use the G2 propperly as remote for other gear or get the good ol filter up filter down thing during variation changes...
However..the multipattern seq module could help there too... |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 9:23 am Post subject:
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1) Muteless patch-loading.
2) Sequencer patterns.
3phase, I never replied to your answer a few pages ago: A sequencer
improvement alone wouldn't do it, as I'm as much looking for evolving
the sound through variations (sometimes only for a few beats) as I'm
looking to change rhytmic content.
I have to say though that I'd be very happy with 1), and it would solve
a large part of my problems!
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:42 am Post subject:
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[quote="3phase"]No.. Rob did some DIY allpassfilters that are used in his patches that did waht i want to hear from an allpass filter... quote]
Do u have a link to one? i just want to hear what it is u mean.
cheers
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:33 pm Post subject:
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There are two distinct types of allpass filter, the one used to make phasers like the the multi BP out in 6dB mode (you need two per notch and have to mix with input signal btw) And the digital allpass which is nothing more than a delay with feedback/forward. The current OS provides both the simple building blocks and the complete modules (fltphase and fltcomb).
Robs allpass with the 6dB LP + mixers is more efficient than the FltMulti but AFAIK is the same effect. |
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| Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:47 pm Post subject:
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@g2ian
I havent counted any wishes from you sofar...
Nothing specific you would like to see in an update? |
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