No news about G2 OS update ?

FlowerP · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject:

Since the subject of another G2 OS update is pretty much based on speculation, I'd like to suggest another (equally speculative) way of looking at the accumulated wish list.

Presumably, Clavia will not allocate huge resources to an OS update. So if we want our wishes to be considered for inclusion in the update, it might be wise to prioritize those wishes that are reasonably easy to implement. This way of thinking makes wishes for new modules less important than e.g. editor variation parameter exclusion, since the latter is probably a lot easier to implement than the former.

Estimating the amount of coding necessary for each wish should help in prioritizing the list. The estimations will, of course, be very speculative, since we don't know the details of the G2 firmware architecture.

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject:

I think the "most easy to implement" improvements to the G2 OS are bugfixes, and that's what I personally would like to see first. There are quite a few of them, and correcting them is way more important in my book than new features of any kind.

3phase · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject:

I think we cant answer really what is easy for clavia or not..one for sure..an update will probably being based on what they already have had in their on schedule but haven't realized for time or other reasons...
Morphs on switches for example was planed but not implemented because of some problems... so such a wish might come true even when its low on our list...

I don't think that the way i started to weight certain wishes against each other is too bad... its no true science but it gives already a pretty good estimation of what bothers people the most. Now i try to get in shape what bothers people second most... its not precise...but never trust a statistics you haven't modified yourself Wink

No no... i try to by fair...but with us few users we cant make it demographic correct... When we would discuss each point it would wash away the tendencys that show up when people are spontaneous... sometimes you get a better picture of the truth in a quick shot...
Therefore i personally opt for keeping the top 10 as they are now and do secondary votings on the lower positions to give singular wishes a better chance to get up..because some of them are more important and easier to implement than some of the spontaneous first needs..

So now where the main issues are collected in the top ten people can relax and think about what else they want to see up...
when 5-10 more users participate with secondary wishes we have a pretty good picture that probably is not sofar from a result we would get when we would do a precise vote with 1000 users..
ok..my guessing...

i only was collecting data from this thread...and 2 answers of my call on the mailing list... but even without them the picture wouldn't be very different...

Anybody that thinks the way i try to get a result is to rough can do an alternative counting...

maybe we can poll results of different interpretations of this thread?

I actually don't see really a possibility to poll the wishlist itself...
However...

what are your secondary votings ? Wink

And answer to tim...of cause any update should address bugfixes first..
Thats out of question... we just try to see what new feature wishes are most prominent..as expected a sampling/grain module is popular...
but luckily also such expert things like an alternative voice allocation...

that shows that the group of people here is pretty well balanced between professional needs and the desire for toys.. just a few users..but from all around the world..very different musical styles..an from new users to to day one Nm1-G2 users... The top 10 is pretty good already..
I think it is a useful information for clavia... for example that a pitchbend output is as well asked as a fancy sampling module... its easy to implement..but also easy to be overseen.

If we get the lower places a bit better weighted we have a statement that is ready to be hand over.. IMO but if there is an alternativ interpretation and we have a poll...fine for me.
In the end of the day its anyway Clavias discission what to do..we should keep it simple..
but..

please do a secondary vote... it really helps to get a better weighted structures when more information is in the pool...

Jason · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject:

personally I think this thread is a mess.
Sorry if I am being overly critical.
However I say that the top apx 10-20 be converted to polls in the 'Wish List' section to actually take action and get this wrapped up. If this keeps up Clavia will release the update and wont see this list. This isnt a proper way to vote imo. I doubt some users even know this thread exists.

Fix delay sync bugs!
Syncable Envelopes...
Filter Bank..

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject:

thats not true..there was quite some bugs fixed you haven't been aware of that much more seriously affected the operation of the machine than the sync delay bugs... and the patchmutator is a toy for real patchers but makes the whole machine much more accessible for those who don't know...

however... bug fixes first..but there are actually not that many... my personal ones are one in the sample delay..the noise bleed thru in the drum oscillator... ??? delay sync? has this ever worked properly in any machine?

however.. if there will be another update which is in the moment just wishful thinking i think clavia will address the reported bugs... i don't doubt that.. on the other side they probably don't want to introduce new ones ,,and this makes it pretty unlikely that they will give us 50 new features or changes..

And to jason..this thread isn't a mess.. maybe i have taken over in my free time an d had a count on what people are discussing about here..and counted it..interpretated it..that you can call a mess... but i am somehow sure that this kind of action leads much quicker to a serious result than polling each item individually..that would bring it back to real random where we have in the end about 50 equal wishes.

the thread already brought a result in my opinion... its just cosmetically to try to get more structure in the not so popular wishes...
Buts enough to show clavia a opinion that is not just an individual one..
i never would have asked for a pitchbend out for example..even when i see that this is xtrem ly useful for people that play their keyboard..and therefore actually really belongs into the top 10..even when its nothing special..

sorry..a mess is something else..this is sofar pretty constructive

cappy2112 · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject:

this was said clearly that this is just about what users would like to see...
its speculation if clavia can afford to put manpower in it..the G2 is not a big seller... but its a wonderful digital synth ..its ok to try to evaluate where users see problems.. I am sure that clavia want it to be as perfect as it can be.. its just the question if they can afford the hassle..but they are the kind of a serious instrument building company where such things are possible..false hope or not..we are definetly in better hands than with korg or roland or yamaha... The g2 is a very refined instrument already that has some unique abilitys.. its somehow underrated..a update might help to improve that..and that is our biggest chance to see one..
my guess its a 50/50 chance..otherwise i wouldn't spend time to count and interpretate the discussion in this thread..

3phase · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject:

But.. as i see you guys don't like so much to play that game and do secondary votings.. at least 4 people was posting since the request without giving a vote...

probably because you feel that this is not democratic enough...

one for sure..to poll any single wish cant lead to anything..because the absolute amount of interested users that read an individual thread will find almost any wish on the list useful.. because they actually are..
the quick shot that just counts were people were willing to drop a word shows where personal motivations are..
Splited in individual polls any item will have a much higher number of supporters as we have now...
So my rough way is not a really bad way to evaluate the tendencys.. IMO..

But as i said... anybody can try to do another interpretated list..

and when we would have 3 different interpretations.. we could poll these..

that would give a better demographic result..
but individual polling of each item? anybody sees a chance in that to get an informative result?

However..you would do me a big favor to do some secondary votings on the positions 11-49...just for me to finish it...

we can see afterwards if you like the result or not..
I can do a poll if the result should be sended to clavia as a forums opinion or not... is that ok?

Jason · Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject:

iPassenger · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:46 am Post subject:

As a relatively new user, i am only aware of the current version of os. So my question is:

Have any of the previous updates actually included brand new modules?

If so what where they?

Or have they only been bugfixes and front-end software changes?

Cheers

R.

PS: My secondary votes: 1. Arpeggio Module, 2. Scala Style Tuning, 3. up/down counter.

mother misty · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:56 am Post subject:

mother misty · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:58 am Post subject:

Antimon · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:19 am Post subject:

I think it's a good initiative, and I actually think it's as good as it gets in such a small community.

I'd like to second the up/down counter, btw.

/Stefan

3phase · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:41 am Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:45 am Post subject:

And because i need at least 3 more secondary voters again the list..

Positions 11-49

each user can pick 3 primary and up to 6 secondary wishes from this list...

people that allready placed a vote for places 11-49 please dont repeat it...
So if you only have mentioned only one primary and want to add more please dont repeat the allready mentioned wish..

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3phase · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:56 am Post subject:

and just for reference..the locked top 10... actually all wishes that had at least 4 supporters

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3phase · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:45 am Post subject:

I just realized that we have only two wishes that are editor specific...
theese are very easy to implement..maybe we should keep them seperate so that they are mentioned to clavia in any case? would make space in the top 20 and pure editor functions are maybe more likely than new modules...

otherwise position 27 should be up aswell...

mother misty · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:59 am Post subject:

can you give a bit more info on what
"muteless patch loading on same content" actually is sven?

dasz · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:48 am Post subject:

if you saved two copies of a patch and changed knobs / variations on one copy. if you load the original patch, and then afterwards you load the copied (& modified) patch, no muting should occur between them.

/Dasz

Fozzie · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject:

And now, ladies and gentlemen, here are the results from the great city of Bennekom (the Hague is soooo 2006; Bennekom is where the buzz is nowadays Wink

), the Netherlands:

primary: voice# sorting, string osc mod inputs, finer bpm resolution
secondary: velocity curves, alt tuning, optimized display usage, sysex out, meter module, mono verb w/o chorussing

Edit: made a mistake with the voice# sorting (it was already in the top 10)
updated:
primary: velocity curves, string osc mod inputs, finer bpm resolution
secondary: alt tuning, optimized display usage, sysex out, meter module, mono verb w/o chorussing, wavetable osc

mother misty · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject:

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mother misty · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:39 am Post subject:

Fozzie · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: