No news about G2 OS update ?

monobass · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:56 am Post subject:

I understand the reasoning about not including 'sampling' type things in the list but I completely disagree with leaving it out... it defeats the object of a poll. It's hardly democratic when your choices are artificially limited.

We all know the delay lines could be changed in simple ways which would make live sampling easier to do. There is a massive demand for it so leaving it off the list would be disingenuous.

If you want to end up with a shortlist of a certain size then the only fair way to do it is a series of polls with less choices everytime, or a large poll.. there's no way getting around it. Those with the best arguments laid out will get the most votes i'm sure...

SecretAsianMan · Joined: May 11, 2006 Posts: 40 Location: Texas

Yup. You put all of the suggestions up for vote, have some debate on them, then call the vote.

The Why Project · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:54 am Post subject:

Please don't forget this one:

Store more variations per patch. (Alternative solution has already been
proposed by Dasz: Muteless Patch/Performance loading).

Regards,

The Why Project

varice · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 10:33 am Post subject:

dasz · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:28 am Post subject:

Feature #12 - don't forget mute less switching when loading an identically wired patch (to the currently loaded one) all modules and connections are identical, just different variations.

Bug #1 - loop changes reset sequencer to step 1 (incorrect behavior - terrible in a live situation). In NM1 the loop change went into effect only once the current steps exceeds the loop point (correct behavior)

/Dasz

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject:

monobass · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject:

Yes what you are describing is what some people might call 'sampling'. Others have a different idea.
Just let people decide what they want to vote for.

For once this forum could just hang back on the taxonomy Wink

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject:

So my wishes are...

1) improved sound... the g2 lacks something in relation to the Nm1..its subtile and it might be related to a bug or a change in gain structure...
basically nm1 and g2 sound identical..but when we reach overloaded states in feedback loops the NM1 sounds much smoother... i would like to see the G2 improved there more than anything else. It might be subtile but would give the intstrument a bigger boost on the long run than new features...
because this is very in the main dsp infrastructure i put this wish to 1) because i personally think that this might be a point where clavia at least should investigate and make sure that this really have to be this way..
maybe its just a little adjustment..these subtile things not necessarily have to have big causes..but aslong nobody sees a problem nobody takes the effort to check the item...

2) new sequencer modules...

a) multi pattern/ poly sequencer... it either acts as a monophon sequencer with multiple edit pages that can be selected by a control...
or it works in poly mode than the different edit pages show the individual voices...
it should be able to record like the actual sequencer..that could be replaced by the new one...

It also could allow to record more than 16 steps...
And give us a control to navigate thru the edit window..
This way we could only assign 4 steps to the controls of the G2..and have to knobs for voice navigation and edit position navigation and achieve full polyphone edit possibility for up to 128 steps with just 6 knobs...

with an additional setting where only the edit position is read out...and mod inputs for the navigation this module could act as a 3 dimensional ram table... a rough one..but nevertheless an interesting module ...

So such a big poly sequencer would allow to store polyphone data...act as multi pattern sequencer... act as 3 dimensional or polyphone ramtable...
allows detailed editing without assigning all steps to knobs...

In addition to this we would need a record able gatetime sequencer..one that just records gatetimes an has a trigger puls on each gate step and a independent gate time output that stays high during the gate is up..
The trigger out steps our poly note sequencer...

the gate time sequencer should be variable quantized... so from 16th to 96th notes ... this is good enough for a synthesiser because otherwise we get problem to keep it edit able... within the quantization setting we can scroll thru a grid similar to the note sequencer..but just with to lines..the triger point ..and the gate time...

i think it would be enough if the gate time sequencer is monophon..but better of cause polyphone.. editing similar to the poly note sequencer...
but no mod inputs..

Ok..just dreaming...but i was so much into sequencer patching with the G2 that it boiled down to just 2 modules that are missed.. polyphone note info..and gate times...
I managed to patch such thing but it eats slots... but...
I successfully used such patches on stage..a real bringer to be able to record some chords and be able to store that and get back to it later... in an live edited version...

So my first 2 wishes..the other 3 in the next post...

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject:

So.. i want to limit me for 5 wishes...

Wish 3... is actually a trick that would give clavia some work...

3) support of the Nm1 to G2 conversion utility to add all old structures that cant be easily patched and therefore allowing full sound compatibility... with the aid of g2ools
So i call this wish :

Inclusion of missing NM1 functions

-Morphs on switches
-Fixed filter bank
-mini delay module that accesses the dsp memory as on Nm1

(24bit with sweet sound for tuned delay lines)

-original overdrive

( the new overdrive is nowhere as good on polyphonic sounds.. the old overdrive is more musical useful and has nice modulation propertys )

These are the main issues...
and to be complete but roughly possible to be patched

-spectral oscillator... lets get rid of the shape osc b...
-formant osc
-5stage envelope

With this additions the NM1 lib would be properly convertible..
And the G2 would win with the first main issues soundwise a lot...
especially the nm1 overdrive is very powerfull for creating subtile fatness and rude am like modulations...things we don't get with our given g2 modules...

And the dsp intern delay line makes much sweeter physical modeling sounds..
especially this wish could be maybe obsolete when wish one is featured..maybe the sweetness is not related to the 24 bit..maybe its the more noise feedback behavior of the g2 that makes the difference when using the given delay modules...

Wish 4)

The mentioned exclusion of parameter from variation changes...
maybe as

A special value module that can be used to create values that just are the same in all variation locations... probably the easiest way to realize that..

Maybe all parameters that are assigned to the global page could be variation independent?

Or just allowing any parameter to be excluded..but that might be a heavy task

Wish 5)

The already mentioned Midimodule master setting...in addition with midi functions on patch level

So all midi send modules get additional to the given settings a M setting where the send channel is controlled by the patch settings parameters...

there we can select channel 1-16.. the 4 slots..but also Off and! Same...

So the send modules send to their own slot...

This way we can disactivate midi send of a patch globally when needed..redirect the midi stream to another instrument quickly for multiple midi send modules and create slot independent patches that control themself with midi send modules...

....

Shit... The alternative allocation mode..that gives held notes priority..so no voice stealing

and.
i just got 3 other things in mind... but that are the less important wishes

-A allpass filter module
-Allowing clock output on external sync...having the G2 clock transparent
-getting rid of the SOURCE tag on switches and show directly the setting of the switch in the displays.

So all together 9 wishes...

with my trick wish No 3 Wink

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

The Why Project · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 8:04 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:00 am Post subject:

So.. I made a list of the mentioned wishes sofar...
I combined a few that would be handled by clavia as one wish anyway... and lefet a very few out when it seems to much a thing that can be solved by patching... but... mainly to safe some typing..when i missed something important.. correct it..

Sofar is to say that even with the little amount of users involved ther is a clear winning wish allready...

new sequencer modules !!! multi pattern and polyphony most wanted..and as i pointed out maybe can be realized as one module... but even without such details..there is a clear demand for that...

Beside that it allready happened taht in the top 10 are 3 wishes i would call unrealistic and one i would call redundant...

what wouldnt be so ideal to poll a list with just 60% realistic wishes...

For the very important midi master control for send modules i was the only one i opted for...what is a pitty because that issue makes working with the G2´s midifunctionality really uncomfortable and should be a number one priority...

So if here are others that see the need to shot off midi out from sendmodules without the editor or reasign them as patch setting please opt for it...

We have now in my reduced list 47 wishes allready... we cant poll them all... ther must be some further discussion...

I personally would prefer a list for a poll that totally leaves out unrealistic wishes..or we have an extra poll for what we see as difficult..

the gapless loading for example..of cause everybody votes for that....
But to be true... do you think clavia can reinvent the whole instrument concept in an update? this wish clearly asks for a new instrument...
Dasz anyway was my personal unrealistic wishes king ;-.)

However... here a screenshot of the previous list and the xls file...

Would be nice if allready mentioned wishes that are ssen as important get some backup from other users so we can see the tendency...

The poll schould not have more than 30 wishes to get a top ten that matters...

I UPDATED The LIST..therfore attachments got removed

dorremifasol · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject:

Where's the velocity curve?? As my main desktop keyboard controller, this is the most important thing to me. Very Happy

Fozzie · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject:

Nice work, 3phase. However, imho we should first compile a list of all wishes (possibly combining overlapping ones), then discuss what is realistic and what is not, and finally have a vote to see what is important. As far as I'm concerned, there hasn't been any structured way of voting yet, so there is no basis to already conclude that certain wishes are important and others aren't. Maybe grouping similar wishes will help to reduce the list in size / make it more manageable.

3phase · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:29 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject:

3phase · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject:

i can try..but would prefer to do the work on the update because in the moment not many people have opnend the mouth..maybe because they didnt like to double post wishes..but..that actually helps a lot to see tendencys and to identify populistic unreal wishes...

I really think that unrealistic wishes shouldnt be in the top ten list...
maybe as extra out of competition so calvia can see that there is a demand for certain things that might be involved in new hardware..but for now..?

A personal question..do you think there is anyway clavia could minimize the loading gap they would go for? i would love to have continous sound output on performance change... but is that an realistic wish? or one we should formulate out of competition?

Same with the more than 8 variation... i just dont see that possibliy happening because it would change the whole instrument and editor around without bringing anything new..just more...
When i would be clavia i wouldnt put resources in things that create a lot of work, problems and possible bugs with so little advertizing factor..

But maybe i am the only one with this view... opinions please...

GovernorSilver · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject:

I guess g2ian and Blue Hell have addressed the keyboard temperament issue to a considerable extend with their work - its just a matter of continuing to evolve the g2ools suite.

From the Wish List forum, I'd like to continue my support for enabling the G2 Editor to send/receive MIDI over USB.

Even better would be integration of the G2 Editor as an plugin, both AU and VST formats.

blue hell · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: